If you want to challenge someone, Red, start a new thread and invite people (general invite) to go at you. That could be interesting.
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Where I studied is not important, what was school taught, was long boring and filled with the same teachings over and over again. the last school i was in I made the teacer look like a complete idiot and was given an excelent in debate for the catholic bishop of the area. The rest for the last 15 years has been personal study, and learning reading and rereading the bible in english, latin and german.
The failing point for most christians falls on one thing and one thing only. The bible was wrighten like any other book. It has a bigging a middle and an end. You cannot jump from ch1 of moby dick and say hey this line proves this line to be true. The lines of bible verse and scripture are wrighten for the story they are in, that is the failing point that most christians face.
you cannot use Leviticus 20:13 from King James Version : "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them."
With out the knowledge that in Leviticus it is stated that god was laying down the laws for HIS followers. Meaning that if you beleive in HIM then this is your laws.
As shown in the very first verse of this ch.
2 "Say to the Israelites: 'Any Israelite or any alien living in Israel who gives [a] any of his children to Molech must be put to death. The people of the community are to stone him.
Christians fail to reconise that I am not a Israelite, therefore this law doesnt apply to us, this was gods rules for his people in that time, to give them seperation from the pagens(low and behold a pagen understands this) I also find it a travesty that christians will make a point of combining this verse, with many others from different parts of the bible the most well known.
Romans 1:26-27
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
Now lets examine this verse the way christians love to use it. First the ...Because of this... Means there is something before it that brought on
GOD gave them over to shameful lusts.
NOW if you read before this you find that it is in fact not condeming the acts but instead, because the people of sodem and gemora had fallen away from the bibles teachings, god let them go. Left them alone to their beleifs. He did not destroy them for the act of being gay, or even commiting acts of being gay, he destroyed sodem and gemora because.
They were created on his word, and had turned from it. Meaning that he was the GOD of these cities and they turned from it. There were many more cities in tis time perios that were decadent and pagen, why didnt he destroy them. Because he didn't care about tehir acts of being gay or lesbian, it is stated in teh story he simply took away what he had given them their cities and thier lives.
This happened in pagen beleif as well, and it was because of christians. Pagen rome was ruled by pagens and became the strongest empire ever known, for 2000 years it stood. Constantine came along and converted the city to christian, and 200 years later the empire fell.
These are just examples of where christians fail, they take mistranslations and I will not post examples of that in here, as well as have even made verses up completly, further more they do not even follow the bible, when they do get it right, so why should anyone else. exemples.
That cross you wear with christ hanging apon it. What ever happened to.
the commandment against graven images by sculpting innumerable images of Christ as the divine savior. Father son and the holy ghost are one entity in three forms. so engraving one is violating this.
Also the bible does teach that not everyone is or every will be THIS GODS children. For exemple. nnow read this verse carefully I checked it against Latin German and english so it does say the same in all three.
Then God spoke all these words: I am the lord YOUR God, who brought YOU out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; YOU shall have no other gods before me. (1)
My people were following our gods long before the hebrew, were anything more that dirt collectors for pyramids. He plainly said YOUR and YOU. Meaning he was not speaking to anyone but the hebrew. So yes it annoys me when I see my people..looking around at the whole of this pagen witchcraft forum. Who have religions.. looks to sobek and laughs.. some of which were your slave owners of this people. that are older and proven by sceince to have true bases and roots spoken too as though we are the idiots who don't know what we are talking about, or preached to from a copy of moby dick. Good book not true but good book.
I will go no further, because if I do I will expect more in return than the bible says so, as I shown above I will need chapter and verse, so when I answer I will have the answers you seek.
Do I care you are christian no, that personally means nothing to me, it is not the cover of the book that tells me what is inside, it is the story of the actions that does so.
Welcome to Pagen Rome.
Shawn Edward Exilus Hilton
High priest of Jupiter
PS to the one who started this thread I did not mean to Hijack your post any more, I will not answer on it in this way again..smiles softly.
The failing point for most christians falls on one thing and one thing only. The bible was wrighten like any other book. It has a bigging a middle and an end. You cannot jump from ch1 of moby dick and say hey this line proves this line to be true. The lines of bible verse and scripture are wrighten for the story they are in, that is the failing point that most christians face.
you cannot use Leviticus 20:13 from King James Version : "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them."
With out the knowledge that in Leviticus it is stated that god was laying down the laws for HIS followers. Meaning that if you beleive in HIM then this is your laws.
As shown in the very first verse of this ch.
2 "Say to the Israelites: 'Any Israelite or any alien living in Israel who gives [a] any of his children to Molech must be put to death. The people of the community are to stone him.
Christians fail to reconise that I am not a Israelite, therefore this law doesnt apply to us, this was gods rules for his people in that time, to give them seperation from the pagens(low and behold a pagen understands this) I also find it a travesty that christians will make a point of combining this verse, with many others from different parts of the bible the most well known.
Romans 1:26-27
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
Now lets examine this verse the way christians love to use it. First the ...Because of this... Means there is something before it that brought on
GOD gave them over to shameful lusts.
NOW if you read before this you find that it is in fact not condeming the acts but instead, because the people of sodem and gemora had fallen away from the bibles teachings, god let them go. Left them alone to their beleifs. He did not destroy them for the act of being gay, or even commiting acts of being gay, he destroyed sodem and gemora because.
They were created on his word, and had turned from it. Meaning that he was the GOD of these cities and they turned from it. There were many more cities in tis time perios that were decadent and pagen, why didnt he destroy them. Because he didn't care about tehir acts of being gay or lesbian, it is stated in teh story he simply took away what he had given them their cities and thier lives.
This happened in pagen beleif as well, and it was because of christians. Pagen rome was ruled by pagens and became the strongest empire ever known, for 2000 years it stood. Constantine came along and converted the city to christian, and 200 years later the empire fell.
These are just examples of where christians fail, they take mistranslations and I will not post examples of that in here, as well as have even made verses up completly, further more they do not even follow the bible, when they do get it right, so why should anyone else. exemples.
That cross you wear with christ hanging apon it. What ever happened to.
the commandment against graven images by sculpting innumerable images of Christ as the divine savior. Father son and the holy ghost are one entity in three forms. so engraving one is violating this.
Also the bible does teach that not everyone is or every will be THIS GODS children. For exemple. nnow read this verse carefully I checked it against Latin German and english so it does say the same in all three.
Then God spoke all these words: I am the lord YOUR God, who brought YOU out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; YOU shall have no other gods before me. (1)
My people were following our gods long before the hebrew, were anything more that dirt collectors for pyramids. He plainly said YOUR and YOU. Meaning he was not speaking to anyone but the hebrew. So yes it annoys me when I see my people..looking around at the whole of this pagen witchcraft forum. Who have religions.. looks to sobek and laughs.. some of which were your slave owners of this people. that are older and proven by sceince to have true bases and roots spoken too as though we are the idiots who don't know what we are talking about, or preached to from a copy of moby dick. Good book not true but good book.
I will go no further, because if I do I will expect more in return than the bible says so, as I shown above I will need chapter and verse, so when I answer I will have the answers you seek.
Do I care you are christian no, that personally means nothing to me, it is not the cover of the book that tells me what is inside, it is the story of the actions that does so.
Welcome to Pagen Rome.
Shawn Edward Exilus Hilton
High priest of Jupiter
PS to the one who started this thread I did not mean to Hijack your post any more, I will not answer on it in this way again..smiles softly.
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IceDragonX
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Nice to meet everyone that is new since I have disappeared! Man...a lot of new people come when you are only gone for a little while. lol.
Man this thread became busy...I was playing final fantasy 12. LOL. I only rented it....but its ok. Im still trying to get use to it. It seems the thread turned into a mini bible explanation.
Man this thread became busy...I was playing final fantasy 12. LOL. I only rented it....but its ok. Im still trying to get use to it. It seems the thread turned into a mini bible explanation.
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IceDragonX
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I understand exilus, its all good. haha. I would think some one would be outnumbered if they were to come to convert people. Things like that shouldn't happen, but unfortunately they do. Hopefully the people causing issues at least came to an understanding to lay off or just become banned.
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