Never been a fan of maiden mother crone

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Re: Never been a fan of maiden mother crone

Postby Siona » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:40 am

Several hundred years ago or so, the life span averaged about 35 years.
That would divide the years up better. Women were usually married and bearing children by age 15. Being unmarried much longer after that age would make you a spinster.
There's actually a bit of a misconception about ancient lifespans. The lifespan average takes into account all the population, which includes infant mortality, which was quite high for much of history. I think the statistic I saw for ancient Greece was something like 1 in 5 infants died. So for every infant that gets counted, it brings down the average. Once someone made it through childhood and into their teen years, they'd live to about 60ish, depending on the specific area and time.

But you're certainly right that women married much younger and started having children much younger. In a lot of places and in a lot of times giving birth was sort of the main role of a woman, some societies saw that as the only real worth of a woman - and it was dangerous. A lot of infants didn't survive, and a lot of women didn't survive. I think it was Medea who said something like she'd rather stand in a battle line three times than give birth once, because of how dangerous it was.

All that said, again, maiden-mother-crone is a modern construct, less than a hundred years old, so it wasn't something developed in an older culture where all this was the case. Of course, even at the time of its creation women were generally still expected to get married and have kids (it's still a real pressure on a lot of women today), and there were a lot of modern traditions created which did focus quite a bit on the literal fertility and childbirth bit.

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Re: Never been a fan of maiden mother crone

Postby Sundancer » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:43 pm

]There's actually a bit of a misconception about ancient lifespans. The lifespan average takes into account all the population, which includes infant mortality, which was quite high for much of history. I think the statistic I saw for ancient Greece was something like 1 in 5 infants died. So for every infant that gets counted, it brings down the average. Once someone made it through childhood and into their teen years, they'd live to about 60ish, depending on the specific area and time.
That makes sense.

The concept of mother, to me, represents the continuing of life but I understand this doesn't relate to everyone. I also do not think you have to be a mother or even a woman to relate to the concept. After all, we all come from a mother which I think is just as powerful as being one yourself.

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Re: Never been a fan of maiden mother crone

Postby Firebird » Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:39 pm

Oui! You re totally right I didn't take into account my key word there ...average :oops:
So many children were lost in birth and in early life, and the women who didn't die in childbirth probably had 10 or more kids.
I realize the maiden mother crone thing is a new concept, and Graves way of trying to decipher the triple Goddesses found throught ancient histories.
I had the hardest time once atempting to explaine to a young apprentice that Brighid was not a maiden mother and crone but a triple Goddess of the forge of the word and of healing. She struggled with this for a long time trying to place those aspects into a maiden mother crone package.
I don't fight it anymore...by the time you reach crone I can see that I have lived through the 2 periods in my life already and I now hold those other 2 time periods in my mind and soul ...my innocence of youth is still a part of me, my constructive inquisitiveness and creative drive of my bleeding years are still a part of me and now I can join that with years of experience and hopefully with that some knowledge to pass along and to not make the same mistakes again.
I don't feel that Graves was purposely being derelict in his writings,... trying to interpret some of those poems would have made my head spin round. But now there is this concept out there, and we can work with it if we want, or we can find other meaning for these three physical and life altering changes a woman goes through.
I encourage everone to find out what empowers them. If you don't idenify with a gender, find your talent and strength and run with it. We all have the creative potential of both God and Goddess, and I don't mean just procreating, but to Create.
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