The Darkside of Balance

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Postby Xal » Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:57 pm

Xal are you wanting an answer for undertanding or you not wanting an answer to be a d*ck. Either way.....
I don't understand the concept of the karma only existing if you allow it.
The original intention was to see if his answer was related to my own belief system, since I agree entirely that we all bring bad and good karma to ourselves, and that we create our own heaven and hell. To me it seems like Grey has half an answer to an unasked question in terms of his belief system. But that is only an assumption on the front of things. So I asked in order to try and understand where he is coming from.

However with time the intent of the questions have shifted.

Depending on my emotional state at the time it vacillates between the above statement and the below statement.

If your going to call out other people's philosophies, and call them wrong, stupid, etc, then you better have damn good explanation for why your own are "right."

So I guess it's two fold.

And sir, I am no duck.
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Postby JBRaven » Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:28 pm

I am a girl.

And I was just asking because if it was for understanding I was going to ask your beliefs on said topic but if it was to arguee with grey then I was gonna leave you to it. Apparently Greymalkin has been known to be trouble some and you could of been giving him a taste of his own flavor.

How do you see it as creating our own Karma, is it from actions or the emotional response from these actions.

If a Grown woman sexually assults a 10 year old boy and never feels bad for it or sees anything wrong are you saying she would not get negitive karma? But if at a later date she does feel bad then she will bring bad karma? Because if your theory applies to one happening it should apply for all.

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Postby Greymalkin » Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:50 pm

If your going to call out other people's philosophies, and call them wrong, stupid, etc, then you better have damn good explanation for why your own are "right."
Why?

I can tell you that smoking is wrong but I don't have to supply an alternative.

Other religions and philosophies ARE wrong - to me, because they don't work for me. MY beliefs are right, because they do work for me. It's that simple.

Karma is a bunch of crap. Like most things in life, it only has the power you give it.

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Postby Twisted_Pixie » Sun Feb 14, 2010 6:58 pm

Karma is a bunch of crap. Like most things in life, it only has the power you give it.
Karma is a bunch of crap.... to you? =)

I think Grey is trying to say that karma is a bunch of crap to him, because he doesnt believe in it, its never worked for him etc.... but that doesnt mean its a bunch of crap to everyone... if you believe in karma and have experienced it, then obviously its not a bunch of crap.... to you. Having someone else poo poo the idea doesnt make it not exist... who gives a rats bum if Grey doesnt believe in karma.... you do, and thats all that matters

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Postby Xal » Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:15 am

Your quote makes it look like I said that.

So Grey you have no ideology? You just known that people bring certain events to themselves and have no idea why? Interesting.
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Postby Xal » Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:49 am

I am a girl.

And I was just asking because if it was for understanding I was going to ask your beliefs on said topic but if it was to arguee with grey then I was gonna leave you to it. Apparently Greymalkin has been known to be trouble some and you could of been giving him a taste of his own flavor.

How do you see it as creating our own Karma, is it from actions or the emotional response from these actions.

If a Grown woman sexually assults a 10 year old boy and never feels bad for it or sees anything wrong are you saying she would not get negitive karma? But if at a later date she does feel bad then she will bring bad karma? Because if your theory applies to one happening it should apply for all.
I would say we bring EVERY event that happens to ourselves. Yes even the "bad"things. This can be a very hard idea to swallow and yet is the same ideology of all there is, is light and love. Which is why I find it amusing when someone refers to all that "light and love crap" as "easy" or "fluffy bunnies".

To explain why I would say the universe operates this would require me to explain first the nature of God and why we exist. Which I'll post if your curious on my take on it. Though I warn you it can be quite lengthy.
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Postby JBRaven » Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:53 am

Yes please if you don't mind. If you think it would be best for the thread pm me.

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Postby Xal » Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:10 am

I'll post it. I have nothing to hide :) Fortunately I can just paste it from an email I wrote. This ideology exists on the idea that there is a God.

Lets imagine a universe before the universe physically existed. All that existed was God. Omnificent, omnipresent, omnifarious, and infinite. God was all and all was God. So why would such an entity create a physical universe? What would an infinite being that is limitless seek to achieve?

Since God was all there was this created a sort of dilemma. God knew that God was God. However God could not experience what it was like to be God.

If you were born into a world of pure darkness, you would not know what dark is, because that is all there is. It is only when light comes into the picture that one understands the dark. We only know what things are through what they are not. That is why this life is full of opposites and dichotomy. This is why many seek to find a balance. This is why the idea of the yin yang or opposing forces is so popular in theology.

So since God was all there was, God didn't know what it was like to be God since there was nothing that was not God. There was no reference point. So God created the physical universe. A place where things would be separate from each other. A place where opposites would exist. However if God is infinite how can God create something that is outside God's own infinite? The universe is made out of God. God is the universe. The universe is the physical embodiment of God.

So now God has a physical universe, however since God is the universe this doesn't seem to solve the dilemma of allowing God to experience Godself. This is where life comes in. This is where we come in.

God created life. However much like the universe all things are made out of and from God. Thus God individuated parts of Godself into what we call souls. These parts of God then created physical bodies for themselves in order for us to make ourselves forget we are God so we can experience all the things that are not God. The feelings of separation, anger, hate, sadness, violence, sickness, etc. This way we experience during our physical lifetimes, all that is not God, so that when are in a state of God, we experience that which is God.

Thus the point of all of this, is not necessarily to learn a specific lesson, rather to experience God.

That is not to say that their are not things that we may see as "lesson like." When one begins to look at ones life not as a series of random events but as a planned and self created journey towards the divine, it becomes almost impossible to not see the continual patterns in our life, to not see the messages that the universe is try to tell us. We wonder why we continue to meet with or fall for the same kind of people, why we continue to find ourselves in similar "negative" situations all through out our lives. Since God is everything. Everything that happens is God communicating with us. Telling us something, not so that we will learn. Our soul is made out of God. A piece of infinity is still infinity. Our soul already knows everything! These things happen because before we came to this life we decided we wanted to experience something.

Say you wanted to experience, courage, so you create a situation for yourself in which you will be forced to act courageously in life. It's not about passing or failing life, its about living it, and being what you want to be.

Many people call these pre-life creations or agreements, contracts. However I do not like that term. A contract implies that you are bound to it, and that it is unchanging. However this is not the case. The beautiful gift that we have is free will. We can choose to void and change our contract, our karma if we wish it.

Since we are all God, we are all the creators of our lives. The underpinnings of this reality is a network of souls that are all working in conjunction with each other and with the God conscious to create the life that exists. Yes physically we may see this life as hard, or that things happen to us without control. But the reality which can be both hard to take, and yet the ultimate freedom, is that we ultimate create our lives. We create everything that happens to us. All with the purpose of evolving closer and closer to the Godself.
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Postby JBRaven » Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:23 am

Ok I agree with what you are saying about the reason we experiance certian things in this life. More or Less.

But if "God" was all knowing and so on and so forth why did he not know what it is to be "godself"? How would he know what he is missing if it had never happened? And why is anger and hate ect ect ect not god like? If he created these emotions wouldn't it be of him and thus godlike? If he is truely GOD wouldn't he have both "light and "dark"?

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Postby Xal » Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:39 pm

Ok I agree with what you are saying about the reason we experiance certian things in this life. More or Less.

But if "God" was all knowing and so on and so forth why did he not know what it is to be "godself"? How would he know what he is missing if it had never happened? And why is anger and hate ect ect ect not god like? If he created these emotions wouldn't it be of him and thus godlike? If he is truely GOD wouldn't he have both "light and "dark"?
God knew what it was like to be God, but knowing is different than experiencing.

Anger and hate come out of fear. God has no fear, because well, God is God.
Fear exists only because of this physical universe and it's perceived notion of separation and lack of control.

Yet;

Everything that exists, exists in God because we are all God. Everything is godlike. It is impossible for anything to go against God because God is all that there is. So the question is would you rather be happy, or sad? Relaxed, or angry? There is no right or wrong answer to these questions, but most do not see it as a choice.

Did fear exists before the physical universe existed? It's an interesting question.
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Postby Twisted_Pixie » Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:41 pm

Your quote makes it look like I said that.

So Grey you have no ideology? You just known that people bring certain events to themselves and have no idea why? Interesting.
Actually it was your quote.... hence why it said "Quote Xal" lol :lol:

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Postby Xal » Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:04 pm

Your quote makes it look like I said that.

So Grey you have no ideology? You just known that people bring certain events to themselves and have no idea why? Interesting.
Actually it was your quote.... hence why it said "Quote Xal" lol :lol:
I never said:
Karma is a bunch of crap. Like most things in life, it only has the power you give it.
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Postby Twisted_Pixie » Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:02 pm

LOL! My bad, i was half asleep when i wrote that

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Postby JBRaven » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:26 pm

I think that lonliness the most basic human feeling and fear is what we sprang from. And I don't think The God and Goddess would not limit us to only the positive. The negitive emotions so to speak are just as important as happiness or love.

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Postby Ginger Faith! » Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:26 pm

I think that lonliness the most basic human feeling and fear is what we sprang from. And I don't think The God and Goddess would not limit us to only the positive. The negitive emotions so to speak are just as important as happiness or love.
yes, because the negative feelings are just as important. We can learn from them. Plus, positive outcomes become boring, and make people stuck up.


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