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does anyone here actually know what karma is?

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:19 am
by LaFiamma
I don't think most people do.

Karma is not the threefold law. Karma is not the idea that what you do comes back to you three times. Karma is not the idea of what goes around comes around.


This is from Wikipedia...the sources cited are sound.

"Karma is a term that comprises the entire cycle of cause and effect. Karma is a sum of all that an individual has done, is currently doing and will do. The effects of all deeds actively create past, present and future experiences, thus making one responsible for one's own life, and the pain in others. In religions that incorporate reincarnation, karma extends through one's present life and all past and future lives as well."

the rest of the entry is worth checking out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:56 am
by Rein
I was always aware of this, actually, and I'm sure other people here know it too. I would, however, like to say that no matter how much the ignorance of this angers you, you don't have to go and say it like that.

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:04 am
by Butterfly1984
I was also aware of this. But the thread you are referring to was actually about the 3 fold law and we were just discussing how people view this and some people were saying that they dont believe in 3 fold they believe Karma. We're not dumb here u know, well not all of us!

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:19 am
by [moondance]
Well I always try to live my life by Karma as opposed to by any particular religion or doctrine ... that whatever you give out will come back to you - if yu do something positive you will attraction positivity and negative attract negative things ... so have always tried to live my life always doin the positive things, always put others first, do good deeds etc ... but not sure if being nice / positive always count ... for instance - there was a girl I met this year who was down on her luck: I let her come stay with me, was trying to help her find work, even was filling out application forms for her, bought her new clothes, would take her in my car wherever she needed to go .. -she never had to pay or contribute any money even,and believe me i am not a rich person - far from it ! .. I mean, not that I expected anything ... just dont like to see ppl in bad positions & like helping ... anyway basically she turned round after all I did back stabbed me - told alot of lies about me, made out like I was really a nasty and evil person to her & ill treated her - when all I tried to do was be a friend, care & help her ... so I am at a stage now where i am questioning if this whole karma things work ... are backstabbing, stepping on other ppl toes, being ruthless, selfish, nasty etc .. ...

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:15 pm
by LaFiamma
look, it's not just that post or any one specific post, but it's all over the place, and I've seen karma equated to the "three-fold law" in several posts on this board.

I did not write in a nasty tone or say anything derogatory, I simply stated that I don't think most people understand what karma is and then proceeded to provide a definition. If you don't think the post applies to you, there's no reason to be upset about it.


"Karma" doesn't have instant results. Someone may wrong you, and it may take lifetimes for the universe to balance it out, or it may balance in some way you don't see. hen again, no one says you have to believe in it, but just because you don't see its effects doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

My point is simply that karma is not the idea that "what goes around comes around and you'll definitely get to see the result", it's sometimes a subtle balance, sometimes not such a subtle balance.

And as for "not living your life by any particular religion or doctrine"...you're aware that karma IS part of the doctrine of several religions, aren't you?

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:06 pm
by hedge*
Karma (Sanskrit: कर्म), or Kamma (Pali) is a sanskrit word and a concept of relgions born in India (eastern religions), meaning 'action, effect, destiny.' In Hinduism and, later, Buddhism and Sikhism, it is the sum of a person's actions, regarded as determining that person's future states of existence. The effects of those deeds actively create all that is to happen and determine every present and future experience, thus completely excluding random chance.
Karma is usually translated as the law of cause and effect. That we suffer at present because of past harmful or spiteful actions. Karma underlines the importance of all individuals being responsible for their past and present actions. When taking actions, it is best to look at what effect this will have on others, and why is it that we are taking these actions.
The term denotes a highly complex system of actions and reactions weaving a ceaseless chain of cause and effect resulting from a thoughtless thought, an inadvertently uttered word or an unintended deed, for each of these has a potential to fructify, not only in this lifetime but even in lives to come; though one may in blessed forgetfulness, fail to find the link and call it a mere 'chance.'
Reading serveral different definitions including these ones here, they mostly agree on the ''what goes around, comes around'' theory and that it's a hindu/buddist belief!

I don't believe in karma. I refuse to accept that people get punished or rewarded for things they do, that is just totally absurd to me. There is no omnipotent overlord dishing out justice as they see fit - good things happen to bad people, bad things happen to good people - it's called life.
Or as a person I really respect would rather I put it - "Shit happens and shit will continue to happen, it's what we make of that shit that really matters." :D

The idea of being punished or rewarded for something I did in a past life is laughable!
Karma - shmarma!
Don't believe in it.
However, the process of positivity attracts positivity and negativity attracts negativity is something I do subscribe to, but that ain't karma.

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:38 pm
by hedge*
As a moderator it is my job to make sure that conversations go smoothly and well understood.
Moonstone - I'm sorry for deleting your post - but I fail to see the relevance with it.
If you want to post again in a cohesive and relative fashion, bearing the topic in mind - then please do so.
I'm not here to stop you having your say - I would just like it to be poignant to the conversation please.
:D

Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:15 am
by [moondance]
As a moderator it is my job to make sure that conversations go smoothly and well understood.
Moonstone - I'm sorry for deleting your post - but I fail to see the relevance with it.
If you want to post again in a cohesive and relative fashion, bearing the topic in mind - then please do so.
I'm not here to stop you having your say - I would just like it to be poignant to the conversation please.
:D
hedge I understand your point ... I was just voicing my thoughts

Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:23 am
by [Epothes]
Yes, I've known what Karma is for some time...My entire family is big on the belief. Isn't it the law of ten-fold...or is it three-fold? Anyway, how is it hard to believe that your actions will effect others causing a reaction looping on in a never ending chain reaction? I can see the same thing with magickal energy when casting a spell or praying.

Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:21 am
by Rein
No, the three-fold law is part of the Wiccan Rede, and the ten-fold law is a different thing entirely. Karma is what LaFiamma said it was.

Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:35 am
by LaFiamma

hedge I understand your point ... I was just voicing my thoughts as seems to me that I keep receiving hostile comments from this person & I am not sure why or what I have done :( ... anyway this post may prob be removed as well - but just wanted to clarify myself to you. thanks

Not sure if you saw my response to your deleted post- it was also deleted, but the only post of yours that I remember responding to was the one where you maked it "spoofed"...and I responded asking if you meant "spoofed" or it it was supposed to be "spooked" after you responded I simply commented that I figued you actually had meant "spoofed" like you said but some people seemed to be missing that- they were responding to your post as if it were serious.