Alright, well it is 2 in the morning so I may be totally out of my mind but I just thought of something. This may sound weird or like nonesense and I'm probably insane. It will probably have more meaning to people who believe in the God and Goddess.
The story of Adam and Eve. They were created by the christian god. They lived in the most beautiful garden, they lived in nature. (sound familiar?) Well, they do something that god does not like and they are thrown out of the garden. After this they birth the first human beings and everyone traces back to them. That makes them kind of like our "mother" and "father". This is kind of like paganism. When christianity took over, paganism was "thrown out" and everyone started following Christianity.
... I had a point... I just forgot... If anyone sees where I was going with this or thinks this makes sense please reply. This will probably get deleted for not making sense though...
Christian Creation Story
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[SanityIsLost]
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I think I kinda get it! Your saying that the two religions sort of intertwine!
In the Christian creation story, Adam and Eve were created by God, but they were the mother and father of all humans.
In Paganism, the God and Goddess are thought of in the same way, only the two of them are said to exist without having been created by a higher being!
Is that what you were going for, Sanity?
In the Christian creation story, Adam and Eve were created by God, but they were the mother and father of all humans.
In Paganism, the God and Goddess are thought of in the same way, only the two of them are said to exist without having been created by a higher being!
Is that what you were going for, Sanity?
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Actually, Christianity stole alot of things from Pagan/Paganistic religions. One that comes to mind is Christmas. Any Christian scholar who is worth his salt knows that Jesus was NOT born on December 25th. He was born more like in March....spring time. Zorastrianism, has a central figure, Mithras who was born on Dec. 25th. Our own great Horned God was born on Yule....which falls around Christmas.
Mayday celebrations - Beltane. Except Christians threw out the fertility and sex/ making love aspects because they seem to fear that what is natural.
Halloween - Samhain. This, at least to me is the worst perversion that the Christians could have done. Basically our day of rememberence for our passed loved ones turns into an evil day, of "dark magic" and "evil" things.
It's been reasoned that the Chruch "borrowed" some stuff to make the conversion of Pagans easier, but denies that they did anything of the like.
Mayday celebrations - Beltane. Except Christians threw out the fertility and sex/ making love aspects because they seem to fear that what is natural.
Halloween - Samhain. This, at least to me is the worst perversion that the Christians could have done. Basically our day of rememberence for our passed loved ones turns into an evil day, of "dark magic" and "evil" things.
It's been reasoned that the Chruch "borrowed" some stuff to make the conversion of Pagans easier, but denies that they did anything of the like.
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Awakened1
over time as societies conquered eachother religions were molded and merged. Christianity didnt even become a major religion until around 300 yrs after the death of Jesus.
Ahhh organized religion has left out so much on purpose to keep people dumbed down. They deny or ignore the true mystical interaction between the divine. And replace it with fear and half truths. Good to see people waking up and discovering true spirituality again and not just what they are told to obey.
Peace
Ahhh organized religion has left out so much on purpose to keep people dumbed down. They deny or ignore the true mystical interaction between the divine. And replace it with fear and half truths. Good to see people waking up and discovering true spirituality again and not just what they are told to obey.
Peace
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Raine
I know what you are on about and you are making sense too. (Well to me you are).
Christians did 'steal' a lot of the Pagan ways and it is quite obvious if people actually took a look and read the history of Paganism and compared it to Christianity and they would see that they have similar conclusions and conclusions to suggest that Paganism was around far longer than Christianity because of the dates.
Adam and Eve were supposedly the 'first two people' on the earth but if this was so, they had two sons, one of which, killed the other one and went to another country to find a wife, but if they were the first two people on the planet and they had two sons, how did that one son go to another country to find a wife?
I do have the answer to that too though, they were actually the first Jews and people are getting taught that they were the 'first two people' in the world.
Well I guess the world is corrupt, well the people who live in it are (not saying all of the people) who are brainwashing people to beileve false and stolen ways. Christianity is another branch of brainwashing the nation and people actually believe it and then turn to say that Paganism is 'evil' and are 'devil worshipers' and 'believe in Satan' but it is far from that. It is totally the opposite.
Sorry, I have rambled on a bit and totally off topic too but I guess I could go on all day about this. Hehe.
I'm not this boring usually.
Blessed Be.
Christians did 'steal' a lot of the Pagan ways and it is quite obvious if people actually took a look and read the history of Paganism and compared it to Christianity and they would see that they have similar conclusions and conclusions to suggest that Paganism was around far longer than Christianity because of the dates.
Adam and Eve were supposedly the 'first two people' on the earth but if this was so, they had two sons, one of which, killed the other one and went to another country to find a wife, but if they were the first two people on the planet and they had two sons, how did that one son go to another country to find a wife?
I do have the answer to that too though, they were actually the first Jews and people are getting taught that they were the 'first two people' in the world.
Well I guess the world is corrupt, well the people who live in it are (not saying all of the people) who are brainwashing people to beileve false and stolen ways. Christianity is another branch of brainwashing the nation and people actually believe it and then turn to say that Paganism is 'evil' and are 'devil worshipers' and 'believe in Satan' but it is far from that. It is totally the opposite.
Sorry, I have rambled on a bit and totally off topic too but I guess I could go on all day about this. Hehe.
I'm not this boring usually.
Blessed Be.
Ok this will probly be a little long i am ganna respond to like 2 differnt posts.
Ok first, what i find intresting is 2 things in the christion religion, first with, eve wasnt the first woman, there was another from what i remeber reading, she rebelled agist adam and i think the christion story gose (she whent to hell and gave birth to demonic children or something like that i think) and eve was created from adam afterwords, ok now rewind a little adam is alone with the animals right? Then god see's hes sad so then he creates eve from adam. hurm...where there no female animals befor eve then? Or where there female animals like there was a female befor but the christions want men to own wemon? I find genises a little mixed up myself. Kinda like that tryed to hard to cover something up. I dont know much about what is said to be the first true woman, but i have read and seen many refferences to her.
Ok secent, I thought christ was born like...about this time of the year ? Fall? Its during the censest and it was also an anual celibration of another holiday i belive. But isnt Yule the birth of the new god?.....hurm things add up strange huh?.....Alot of the traditions that are done on christimass are pagan, other than the killing of pine trees, the explorers saw that the druids decorated the fur trees and thay where to lazy to go out into the woods and decorat them so that brought them indoors. The colors, the foods, the decorations. I love that time of the year but i just always thought it was strange, how did jesus have anything to do with decorating a tree?! Now onto a fue other Sabbets/Holidays GeekyPagan did mention alot of them, but there are 2 big ones that always truck out to me that always seamed off befor i learned about them, First being Yule. Witch i just covered, and so did geekypagan, next is Ostera/Easter, i dont know if thay now when it die, i never really cared much, but really, what do you do evey year for easter? Get a Bunny or a Chick and paint some eggs...all symbals of ostera, pastell colors, new birth, but i donno if any has figured out where the easter bunny came from, kinda curius about that one myself.
Ok to wrap things up a little, there are 3 major hilidays that are celibrated Easter, Halloween, and Christmass, In the pagan worls there also very religions holidays too. Ostera, Samahain( sorry cant spell it at all, but i can say it), and Yule, all within atlest 2-4 days of the "Christion" ones, well Halloween isnt a christion one, but its the only holiday thay say is pagan, when thay do pagan celibrating more on the other 2 holidays than thay even do on halloween!
Ok sorry, i know, eveyone pretymuch new that, If i made a mistake please tell me, this is my knolage of it all, correct me or add to it please.
Ok first, what i find intresting is 2 things in the christion religion, first with, eve wasnt the first woman, there was another from what i remeber reading, she rebelled agist adam and i think the christion story gose (she whent to hell and gave birth to demonic children or something like that i think) and eve was created from adam afterwords, ok now rewind a little adam is alone with the animals right? Then god see's hes sad so then he creates eve from adam. hurm...where there no female animals befor eve then? Or where there female animals like there was a female befor but the christions want men to own wemon? I find genises a little mixed up myself. Kinda like that tryed to hard to cover something up. I dont know much about what is said to be the first true woman, but i have read and seen many refferences to her.
Ok secent, I thought christ was born like...about this time of the year ? Fall? Its during the censest and it was also an anual celibration of another holiday i belive. But isnt Yule the birth of the new god?.....hurm things add up strange huh?.....Alot of the traditions that are done on christimass are pagan, other than the killing of pine trees, the explorers saw that the druids decorated the fur trees and thay where to lazy to go out into the woods and decorat them so that brought them indoors. The colors, the foods, the decorations. I love that time of the year but i just always thought it was strange, how did jesus have anything to do with decorating a tree?! Now onto a fue other Sabbets/Holidays GeekyPagan did mention alot of them, but there are 2 big ones that always truck out to me that always seamed off befor i learned about them, First being Yule. Witch i just covered, and so did geekypagan, next is Ostera/Easter, i dont know if thay now when it die, i never really cared much, but really, what do you do evey year for easter? Get a Bunny or a Chick and paint some eggs...all symbals of ostera, pastell colors, new birth, but i donno if any has figured out where the easter bunny came from, kinda curius about that one myself.
Ok to wrap things up a little, there are 3 major hilidays that are celibrated Easter, Halloween, and Christmass, In the pagan worls there also very religions holidays too. Ostera, Samahain( sorry cant spell it at all, but i can say it), and Yule, all within atlest 2-4 days of the "Christion" ones, well Halloween isnt a christion one, but its the only holiday thay say is pagan, when thay do pagan celibrating more on the other 2 holidays than thay even do on halloween!
Ok sorry, i know, eveyone pretymuch new that, If i made a mistake please tell me, this is my knolage of it all, correct me or add to it please.
Merry Part
~Addalaide
~Addalaide
Ok yeah there was alot of typos in there, and alot of missformed sentences, teably sorry.
I found information on who i was talking about, the first woman, Lilith, heres a link to the story i was told about her:
http://www2.kenyon.edu/Depts/Religion/P ... lilith.htm
I find it prety intresting. But it dose have a little "adult content" in it lol, it talks a little on sex and things. She is suposidly the reson for stillborns and SIDS and a fue other problumes that cause death to childen.
I found information on who i was talking about, the first woman, Lilith, heres a link to the story i was told about her:
http://www2.kenyon.edu/Depts/Religion/P ... lilith.htm
I find it prety intresting. But it dose have a little "adult content" in it lol, it talks a little on sex and things. She is suposidly the reson for stillborns and SIDS and a fue other problumes that cause death to childen.
Merry Part
~Addalaide
~Addalaide
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Re: Christian Creation Story
Put the Granola away.Alright, well it is 2 in the morning so I may be totally out of my mind but I just thought of something. This may sound weird or like nonesense and I'm probably insane. It will probably have more meaning to people who believe in the God and Goddess.
The story of Adam and Eve. They were created by the christian god. They lived in the most beautiful garden, they lived in nature. (sound familiar?) Well, they do something that god does not like and they are thrown out of the garden. After this they birth the first human beings and everyone traces back to them. That makes them kind of like our "mother" and "father". This is kind of like paganism. When christianity took over, paganism was "thrown out" and everyone started following Christianity.
... I had a point... I just forgot... If anyone sees where I was going with this or thinks this makes sense please reply. This will probably get deleted for not making sense though...
LOL...just kidding.
What is not so well known (especially to those that follow the christian cult) is that there stroy ofcreation actually stems from Mesopotamian story (Thats right the adam and eve story sanctioned by Moses is actually a bastardization of the religion of the "Whore" Babylon) thestories of Gilgamesh the king of Uruk also hasthings like the great flood etc..and the Babylonians do have Gods and Godess.
I remeber reading somewhere that even the ISraelites had a God and Godess but Moses removed it to give the male more dominion...perhaps a little research into it...I believe the name Jehovah is actually a blending of both there names (The males and female God).
I hope this helps a little.
Intresting, Alot of the old bible towns did worship 2 higher beings ( atlest 2) at one time from what i have read. And all threw history people have tryed to cover up "problums" in the bible.
Back when only the prist's had the bible, and people started to want to own one for themselves it had to be trasmated into the language of the people, because befor it was in many differnt languaged that the prist studyed for years. So thay wrought it into what was then the bible. What could thay have changed and left out? The bible has been writon in many languages, and traslated into so many, so many times, probly the most importend parts are left out, the parts that make it all make sence ( like the end where it says The End a nonfiction novle by:____ j/k). But i belive that the very oroginal text probly hold the key to the true religion, but thay have been lost.
Back when only the prist's had the bible, and people started to want to own one for themselves it had to be trasmated into the language of the people, because befor it was in many differnt languaged that the prist studyed for years. So thay wrought it into what was then the bible. What could thay have changed and left out? The bible has been writon in many languages, and traslated into so many, so many times, probly the most importend parts are left out, the parts that make it all make sence ( like the end where it says The End a nonfiction novle by:____ j/k). But i belive that the very oroginal text probly hold the key to the true religion, but thay have been lost.
Merry Part
~Addalaide
~Addalaide
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It was a little more dcomplex then that if you want to speak of the christian cult.Intresting, Alot of the old bible towns did worship 2 higher beings ( atlest 2) at one time from what i have read. And all threw history people have tryed to cover up "problums" in the bible.
Back when only the prist's had the bible, and people started to want to own one for themselves it had to be trasmated into the language of the people, because befor it was in many differnt languaged that the prist studyed for years. So thay wrought it into what was then the bible. What could thay have changed and left out? The bible has been writon in many languages, and traslated into so many, so many times, probly the most importend parts are left out, the parts that make it all make sence ( like the end where it says The End a nonfiction novle by:____ j/k). But i belive that the very oroginal text probly hold the key to the true religion, but thay have been lost.
Emporer Constantine the emporer in Rome about 300 years after the death of Christ (Give or take), was the man who fashioned christianity and the "messiah."
After the fall of Jerusalem the Jews made there way to Masada and to Greece and many by that time were in Rome already. Paul became influential (The apostle) in Rome when his court case was tried (He was a Roman Citizen if memory serves correctly) and converted many Romans to the ways of Christ. Now lets jump forward about 200 years or so there is a war of religions in Rome, Pagans, christians and Gnostics. There is a political struggle the gnostics (The smallest sect) gets wiped out, the pagans and Christian religions are melded (many have already given examples in this thread).
Magdela is removed and defamed, The sabbath is moved to SUN-day, Mary (the virgin) becomes the Godess and christ becomes the God.
Then anyone who doesnt believe in Constantines Christ is labeled a Heretic (which means non believer) and destroyed and thus was born the Roman Catholic church...the father of all the Christian Cults.
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Addalaide brought up something great when she mentioned Lilith. I love her. To Lilith, I say You Go Girl!
I know that the article that Addalaide had mentioned her a Succubus in Ancient Middle east, but I heard something different in an Ancient History class.....In the Ancient Middle East (Babylon, Ur, Sumer) there was a woman in thier mythology who bore a striking resemblence to Lilith. She wasn't a demon, she was a fertility Goddess. I think her name was actually Lilith - not sure this has been a while since I took the class. When Judisim started to take hold, leaders did NOT like this idea of a female Goddess, or any female Goddesses....so they turned her into a Demon - and of course created a huge boinking inconsistancy. But whatev.
I know of some women who Worship Lilith as a good and divine woman, as a symbol of respect and equality - not a demon. That is what ALWAYS buggered me about Eve - she was MADE from Adam. Where is there any quality there? No wonder why the poor girl wanted to eat the apple....which by the way, it was apperently all HER fault we were cast out of Eden -
Which brings me to a debate my boyfriend and I had. He tells it like this - God wanted human kind to have free will, embodied in the Tree of Wisdom. But the only way he could give it to humans was to use the snake to trick Eve? WTF!? It took basically all my power not to say "I dunno about you, but MY Goddess and God created us perfectly - and did not have to resort to trickery or even punishment (women's childbirth pains) for curiosity."
And another thing - WHY does the blame have to be centered on WOMEN?! Yeah, men's punishment was to work the land - gimme a BREAK that's a gift. So women have to suffer? And somehow that is supposed to inspire us to "go forth and multiply?" I am sorry. I just get so incensed with rage over the inequalities of Christianity. It's just such bullshit. And my boyfriend seriously wonders why I am not going to embrace a god who gives pain and is not exactly pleasant towards all of his chidren. UGH.
I need to go meditate...
I know that the article that Addalaide had mentioned her a Succubus in Ancient Middle east, but I heard something different in an Ancient History class.....In the Ancient Middle East (Babylon, Ur, Sumer) there was a woman in thier mythology who bore a striking resemblence to Lilith. She wasn't a demon, she was a fertility Goddess. I think her name was actually Lilith - not sure this has been a while since I took the class. When Judisim started to take hold, leaders did NOT like this idea of a female Goddess, or any female Goddesses....so they turned her into a Demon - and of course created a huge boinking inconsistancy. But whatev.
I know of some women who Worship Lilith as a good and divine woman, as a symbol of respect and equality - not a demon. That is what ALWAYS buggered me about Eve - she was MADE from Adam. Where is there any quality there? No wonder why the poor girl wanted to eat the apple....which by the way, it was apperently all HER fault we were cast out of Eden -
Which brings me to a debate my boyfriend and I had. He tells it like this - God wanted human kind to have free will, embodied in the Tree of Wisdom. But the only way he could give it to humans was to use the snake to trick Eve? WTF!? It took basically all my power not to say "I dunno about you, but MY Goddess and God created us perfectly - and did not have to resort to trickery or even punishment (women's childbirth pains) for curiosity."
And another thing - WHY does the blame have to be centered on WOMEN?! Yeah, men's punishment was to work the land - gimme a BREAK that's a gift. So women have to suffer? And somehow that is supposed to inspire us to "go forth and multiply?" I am sorry. I just get so incensed with rage over the inequalities of Christianity. It's just such bullshit. And my boyfriend seriously wonders why I am not going to embrace a god who gives pain and is not exactly pleasant towards all of his chidren. UGH.
I need to go meditate...
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