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I definitely believe in Karma simply being you do something wrong with bad intent it comes back in some way or another the same as with good.

The Law of Karma In Buddhist teaching, the law of karma, says only this: `for every event that occurs, there will follow another event whose existence was caused by the first, and this second event will be pleasant or unpleasant according as its cause was skillful or unskillful.' A skillful event is one that is not accompanied by craving, resistance or delusions; an unskillful event is one that is accompanied by any one of those things. (Events are not skillful in themselves, but are so called only in virtue of the mental events that occur with them.) Therefore, the law of Karma teaches that responsibility for unskillful actions is born by the person who commits them. Let's take an example of a sequence of events. An unpleasant sensation occurs. A thought arises that the source of the unpleasantness was a person. (This thought is a delusion; any decisions based upon it will therefore be unskillful.) A thought arises that some past sensations of unpleasantness issued from this same person. (This thought is a further delusion.) This is followed by a willful decision to speak words that will produce an unpleasant sensation in that which is perceived as a person. (This decision is an act of hostility. Of all the events described so far, only this is called a karma.) Words are carefully chosen in the hopes that when heard they will cause pain. The words are pronounced aloud. (This is the execution of the decision to be hostile. It may also be classed as a kind of karma, although technically it is an after-karma.) There is a visual sensation of a furrowed brow and downturned mouth. The thought arises that the other person's face is frowning. The thought arises that the other person's feelings were hurt. There is a fleeting joyful feeling of success in knowing that one has scored a damaging verbal blow. Eventually (perhaps much later) there is an unpleasant sensation of regret, perhaps taking the form of a sensation of fear that the perceived enemy may retaliate, or perhaps taking the form of remorse on having acted impetuously, like an immature child, and hping that no one will remember this childish action. (This regret or fear is the unpleasant ripening of the karma, the unskillful decision to inflict pain through words.) If there are no persons at all, then there is no self and no other. There is no distinction between pain of which there is direct sensual awareness (which is conventionally called one's own pain) and pain that is known through inference (conventionally called another person's pain). Whether pain is known directly or indirectly, there is either an urge to quell it or an urge to cultivate it. Whether joy is known directly or indirectly, there is either an urge to nourish it or to quell it. In the conventional language of speaking of events personally, the urge to quell all pain and to nourish all joy is known as being ethical or skillful or (if you like) good. The urge to nourish pain and quell joy is known as being unskillful, unethical or bad. Being fully ethical is said to be impossible for those who make a distinction between self and other and show preference for the perceived self over the perceived other, for such perceptions inhibit being fully responsive. Being fully ethical is possible only for those who realize that all persons are empty, that is, devoid of personhood.

alright i'm a simpleton, i admit it. now that that's out of the way please draw me a picture of what is the difference again?

as far as curses, i'm not so sure if i agree with the cursed feeding the curse. i'm sure that each of us can only go by personal experience but i have to say that i have felt at times negative energy from certain people like a bolt out of the blue and thought, aha! so that's why............then i take steps to actively fight it off(prayers, visualization and talismans) sending that crap back to it's originator.

I definitely believe in Karma simply being you do something wrong with bad intent it comes back in some way or another the same as with good.

But that's not karma - that's cause and effect.
I do get REALLY fed up with people who misuse terminology (some would say I'm quite anal about it - but hey ho) ESPECIALLY the terms karma and deja vu - but that's another post.

The word Karma is thrown about so willy nilly these days that it has totally lost it's true meaning.
Karma is Sanskrit meaning 'action, effect, destiny.'
It is the concept of many religions including Hinduism, Buddhism and Sikhism and is basically the sum of a person's actions determining their future states of existence. The effects of those deeds actively create all that is to happen and determine every present and future experience, thus completely excluding random chance.

Most people here know my thoughts on karma as it's discussed many many times - for those of you who don't I think it's a load of old piffle.

Cause and effect is a different thing entirely but it gets called karma WHICH IT ISN'T.

Someone explained it really well to me once (might have even been you WS - or Warrior Witch come to think of it) that the three fold rule works on three levels.
Whatever you give out will come back to you - physically, spiritually and emotionally - hence threefold.
I like this theory more.

As for curses - curses schmurses.

The thing about "cursing" is that the "cursed" feed the energy that is doing the "cursing"

If you just shrug your shoulders and accept that shitty things happen all the time you're gonna starve that "curse" and it will soon bugger off.

It's like signs at the zoo- don't feed the monkeys.

DON'T FEED THE CURSES!

Kolohe- i have to disagree some with the, relax, let it flow, enjoy the ride thing. it's not necessarily the first thing that comes to mind when in the midst of turmoil.