Yeah true, I've never read the bible so I wouldn't know haha, I've read bits of revelations cus its pretty cool but completely fiction as is most of the book.
So you conclude that writting your own rituals works?
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For me I find that rituals, spells, chants, prayer all works with the energy and the intent that is placed within it. When working in a coven we would conjure the elements and we would all feel the wind blow around us, ground shake beneath us, sun shine down upon us etc. When working alone I found it took a bit longer to get the same amazing sensations as what I had in group work but what I did get was a response, through ritual I was able to meet my goddess face to face and clean houses and protect people etc.
I also found that through chanting I got stronger sensations than through ritual alone and now chant every day and encorparate it into ritual work.
I would conclude that energy working (because that's what it is basically) works if you want it to.
How I started way in the beginning was just drawing a circle and feeling the different energies collect in the circle and the difference with the outside and inside of the circle. If you can feel that then you feel it for yourself which helps the faith thing along a bit
I also found that through chanting I got stronger sensations than through ritual alone and now chant every day and encorparate it into ritual work.
I would conclude that energy working (because that's what it is basically) works if you want it to.
How I started way in the beginning was just drawing a circle and feeling the different energies collect in the circle and the difference with the outside and inside of the circle. If you can feel that then you feel it for yourself which helps the faith thing along a bit
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soon the paper on which the words are printed will disintegrate and the words will be gone.
Our bible IS the wind and the rain."
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Well it's just a lil hard to believe something will work when it never has and when you doubt it could actually happen, I mean we grow being told things like this aren't possible its just hard to break from it ya know, but if it works on energy I have sat sometimes and wanted something to happen and put all my energy into it working and it just hasn't. For example I tried pyrokenisis and sat for ages focusing on the flame but I just couldn't move it or extinguish it or anything when I have seen my friend do it.
I have moved water though, moved a stream of water coming from a tap bend toward my hand etc maybe it's just that water is closer to me?
But back to what I was saying, how do you keep casting spells and rituals and everything when you see no results, the only spell I have had work is a very old one to help someone sick and it was a friend dying in hospital and nothing was working and I cried during the ritual and begged it to work and she came better within 2 days and hasn't been back to hospital since so it was a pretty powerful ritual but apart from that nothing else has worked.
I have moved water though, moved a stream of water coming from a tap bend toward my hand etc maybe it's just that water is closer to me?
But back to what I was saying, how do you keep casting spells and rituals and everything when you see no results, the only spell I have had work is a very old one to help someone sick and it was a friend dying in hospital and nothing was working and I cried during the ritual and begged it to work and she came better within 2 days and hasn't been back to hospital since so it was a pretty powerful ritual but apart from that nothing else has worked.
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Well that is a valid question, I don't cast spells very often because I don't need anything but I do for other people, for instance someone asked me to help her lose weight, and I told her the fates have a lovely sense of humor. If you say you want to lose weight they'll have you become sick and you'll lose 20 pounds or have you lose an arm in an accident. However if you ask for the strength to be able to withstand sweets or ask for strength to be able to do you're excersizes that usually works a bit better.
Same with, don't ask for someone to fall in love with you, but ask to show others that you are open for love.
I think the old spell you already believed in and so when you prayed and asked with all your might all that energy went into it and made the spell that much powerful, I think it sounds amazing you're able to bend water. Water is an emotional element, so maybe emotions are a way for you to access magick as well?
And if it's hard for you to do self written spells or rituals, ask around and see what works for other people, this way you have a few people their experience to know what works best. And than later you can adapt it to work for you personally?
Just some ideas
Same with, don't ask for someone to fall in love with you, but ask to show others that you are open for love.
I think the old spell you already believed in and so when you prayed and asked with all your might all that energy went into it and made the spell that much powerful, I think it sounds amazing you're able to bend water. Water is an emotional element, so maybe emotions are a way for you to access magick as well?
And if it's hard for you to do self written spells or rituals, ask around and see what works for other people, this way you have a few people their experience to know what works best. And than later you can adapt it to work for you personally?
Just some ideas
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soon the paper on which the words are printed will disintegrate and the words will be gone.
Our bible IS the wind and the rain."
soon the paper on which the words are printed will disintegrate and the words will be gone.
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I haven't tried it in ages though, the water bending (I find it funny its called water bending and I "bent" the water toward my hand) I done it like once or twice but thats it, I wish I could do it with fire. Yeah I'm a Canceleo (cancer/leo cusp) so I figured if I could with water which is cancer's element, then fire shouldn't be too hard either since it's leo's but I found I couldn't even make the flame budge a lil even after an hour or so. I rekon it'd be awesome to control an element completely like create a wave in a pool or river just by thought or hand movement like some of the myths and legends say.
So it doesn't only depend on the energy but also what you are saying that determines the result, like asking for money might have someone die and leave inheritance for example. I once done a spell to make it rain and another for wind just to see what would happen and I wrote it into the beach instead of onto paper and said mote it be and a cyclone formed and destroyed alot of the area? I actually think alot is just coincidence, like that cyclone would have already been forming and my friend may have got better without my help etc.
Its just so hard because there are so many views on rituals, I have the whole 2 books of "The Greater Seal of Solomon" and they are some of the oldest rituals around (havent done any of those and dont plan to soon, they scare me) but with that the rituals are so complex etc. But King Solomon supposibly used the rituals to control and capture demons to do his bidding like build temples.
Like do we use Celtic methods and ritual beliefs or Shamanic methods or witchcraft methods or modern day Neo-pagan methods which is an eclectic mass of beliefs rolled into one? (personally I don't believe modern, new paganism formed within the 90s or something or even wicca can work well? I mean I have had wiccans dispute Lughnasadh with me as I'm trying to tell them that its a ritual for the God Lugh from the Celts etc and Beltane the ritual for the God Bel..) I guess this goes back to my original question how do you successfully do a ritual that is going to work, be respectful to the gods and again actually work and use the right methods?? Like how was your interaction with the goddess you mentioned before?
I guess with the whole being told things aren't possible, I find myself asking, well how do I prove a ritual as worked or prove this stuff, I mean coincidence explains it, my friend could have got better and my ritual could have had no involvement? I simply don't know. But at the same time I was told telepathy and hydrokenisis aren't real and I'm crazy yet I have seen it work and use telepathy every day, know things are going to happen and plan for them etc, like I'll have something tell me "take an umbrella" on a sunny day with no expected rain and I'll wonder "why the hell am I telling myself this?" but I'll take it anyway and it'll rain. Or I'll find myself making 2 cups of coffee and stop half way through making the second and wonder "why the hell am I making 2?" and then my nana will walk around the corner and stop at "can you make.." and see that I had already started? It's weird stuff but the more I listen to this voice or my inner self or something the more I can plan for and the more I have control over what happens around me.
A great and funny example of my telepathy is when I was playing a drinking game from 7pm to midnight with my mates who ended up calling me a god, we had to guess which hand the bottle cap was in and I didn't lose once, I ended up having to drink on my own accord and not follow the game rules haha, even I was spun out, it was like a voice told me which hand it was in but half the time the voice wasn't there and I'd close my eyes and see a glow in the hand it was in. Freaky stuff and weird but it was great. Just thought I'd share it
(been practicing the skill for 8years though so I'm glad it's paying off)
So it doesn't only depend on the energy but also what you are saying that determines the result, like asking for money might have someone die and leave inheritance for example. I once done a spell to make it rain and another for wind just to see what would happen and I wrote it into the beach instead of onto paper and said mote it be and a cyclone formed and destroyed alot of the area? I actually think alot is just coincidence, like that cyclone would have already been forming and my friend may have got better without my help etc.
Its just so hard because there are so many views on rituals, I have the whole 2 books of "The Greater Seal of Solomon" and they are some of the oldest rituals around (havent done any of those and dont plan to soon, they scare me) but with that the rituals are so complex etc. But King Solomon supposibly used the rituals to control and capture demons to do his bidding like build temples.
Like do we use Celtic methods and ritual beliefs or Shamanic methods or witchcraft methods or modern day Neo-pagan methods which is an eclectic mass of beliefs rolled into one? (personally I don't believe modern, new paganism formed within the 90s or something or even wicca can work well? I mean I have had wiccans dispute Lughnasadh with me as I'm trying to tell them that its a ritual for the God Lugh from the Celts etc and Beltane the ritual for the God Bel..) I guess this goes back to my original question how do you successfully do a ritual that is going to work, be respectful to the gods and again actually work and use the right methods?? Like how was your interaction with the goddess you mentioned before?
I guess with the whole being told things aren't possible, I find myself asking, well how do I prove a ritual as worked or prove this stuff, I mean coincidence explains it, my friend could have got better and my ritual could have had no involvement? I simply don't know. But at the same time I was told telepathy and hydrokenisis aren't real and I'm crazy yet I have seen it work and use telepathy every day, know things are going to happen and plan for them etc, like I'll have something tell me "take an umbrella" on a sunny day with no expected rain and I'll wonder "why the hell am I telling myself this?" but I'll take it anyway and it'll rain. Or I'll find myself making 2 cups of coffee and stop half way through making the second and wonder "why the hell am I making 2?" and then my nana will walk around the corner and stop at "can you make.." and see that I had already started? It's weird stuff but the more I listen to this voice or my inner self or something the more I can plan for and the more I have control over what happens around me.
A great and funny example of my telepathy is when I was playing a drinking game from 7pm to midnight with my mates who ended up calling me a god, we had to guess which hand the bottle cap was in and I didn't lose once, I ended up having to drink on my own accord and not follow the game rules haha, even I was spun out, it was like a voice told me which hand it was in but half the time the voice wasn't there and I'd close my eyes and see a glow in the hand it was in. Freaky stuff and weird but it was great. Just thought I'd share it
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I've only just realised that I was submerged in water up to my neck while doing the spell (having a bath) when I done the healing spell! and all other spells I do are around a fire, maybe thats the key, maybe all I need is water?
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Coincidence is something that crosses everyones mind, especially when dealling with things as obscure as magick and faith, the only real guideline you have is what you believe yourself and what you see for yourself. I didn't believe people could create a storm out of nothing, I've seen it done and now I believe it. I didn't believe in ghosts till me and my niece saw the same one and discribed it to each other.
Experience is your main guideline and for people who haven't seen it or experienced it it will sound like you're mad.
I have one of the two greater seals of Solomon laying around but I agree with you, the rituals sound scary and complicated and for obscure means. Not to mention I don't believe in demons.
And yes there are a lot of views out there, which happens because everybody experiences it differently, not to mention the people who didn't experience anything and decided to make something up to look good in front of their friends.
The fact is there is not one way of going about ritual, much like there is not one good way of percieving or experiencing a diety.
I know people whose experience was very personal, like a parent, others who experienced it as an authority figure and others that don't at all yet are satisfied in 'believing' their there.
There are people who use the Celtic methods and people who use Shamanic methods or Nordic or Roman or Egyptian even.
Most people work with what they know or have been drawn to all their lives. Others look back at where their roots lead them. I think that the mother or the goddess comes in many forms in many religions. That all the goddesses of all religions all come back to her, not a lot of people will agree with me on this but that's allright
I think that if neo-paganism didn't 'work' than not so many people would flock to it, but again, it's all in your perception, if you don't believe it will work than it won't. Many neo pagans say they adapted what little is known from the old times to fit their modern lives and situations. Since most of the old paganism magick was based on things they had to deal with daily in the anchient times but not so much in these days. Gods to work the land, gods to hunt the woods, gods to keep the hearth alive etc. Hardly anybody grows their own food or depends on their hearth being on 24/7 and so people adapt. The goddess of the hunt becomes the goddess of wild animals, or she is not called upon at all.
There are lots of people that don't know that most the pagan festivals are of celtic origin or even have any connection with the celtic gods, some of whom are pagan themselves. Try mentioning the name Tailtiu when people are talking about Lughnasadh, hardly anybody will know who she is or what she stands for. This has to do with how much studying people will do, Gerald Gardner (who made wiccan what it is today and is usually the first name to pop up for anyone interested in neo-paganism) states the year and a day study period when really you're never done learning. I'm learning from you now and tomorrow I'll learn something else.
"I guess this goes back to my original question how do you successfully do a ritual that is going to work, be respectful to the gods and again actually work and use the right methods??"
I hate to say it, but it all depends on your definition of right, for a Shaman it'll be different than a Kelt and for you it might be different from me.
Let go of the idea that there is a right or a wrong way of doing these things. Maybe let the concept of ritual go and concider your own faith. Maybe it will
show you where your path leads. In divination alone there are 60 different ways and so many people who believe that they know which one is the correct one. Feel for yourself, Scott Cunningham wrote that you should look at all knowlidge with a questioning eye to learn the truth that lies inside. Look at your books and take notes what do you believe? What makes sense to you? What is most interesting for you?
Maybe you'll take one look at the celtic pantheon and forms of worship and decide you found the one truth for you or you decide that not everything fits who you are but most of it does and in your studies you find that you like the way of Nordic worship as well, see what fits you. Does prayer work for you, or chanting, do candles work, or bonfires, tap water, ocean water etc etc
My interaction with the goddess was simple and sweet, I was standing in water and she appeared from the water and embraced me and before I had a chance to say anything she said not to worry because she had always been there and always would be. That was the clearest vision I had ever had and that was because I asked for it, maybe, had I been of a different pantheon she would have appeared to me in the form of a specific goddess, perhaps if I had needed a harsh talking to she would not have appeared as friendly, who knows? Only experience will tell me.
Forget what people tell you as 'not possible' concider that everything is possible and realise that only you can find your own truth. From what I can tell from your experiences is that you have faith in your abilities and I believe you but if I hadn't would that have made yourr abilities any less real? I don't think so, so how does how people explain something to be correct mean that they are right. "Yes but their ecxperience has taught them!" Yes well they, are not you,and so they might not have the same beliefs as you do or the same experience as you do.
Have faith in yourself and do as your heart tells you, if you believe in the gods than decide if your fear of their wrath is a good guideline to go by (I mean it worked so well for the christians
BTW I am love seeing that you commented, I actually love this talk, and I love to hear about your experiences, very interesting <3
Bless
Experience is your main guideline and for people who haven't seen it or experienced it it will sound like you're mad.
I have one of the two greater seals of Solomon laying around but I agree with you, the rituals sound scary and complicated and for obscure means. Not to mention I don't believe in demons.
And yes there are a lot of views out there, which happens because everybody experiences it differently, not to mention the people who didn't experience anything and decided to make something up to look good in front of their friends.
The fact is there is not one way of going about ritual, much like there is not one good way of percieving or experiencing a diety.
I know people whose experience was very personal, like a parent, others who experienced it as an authority figure and others that don't at all yet are satisfied in 'believing' their there.
There are people who use the Celtic methods and people who use Shamanic methods or Nordic or Roman or Egyptian even.
Most people work with what they know or have been drawn to all their lives. Others look back at where their roots lead them. I think that the mother or the goddess comes in many forms in many religions. That all the goddesses of all religions all come back to her, not a lot of people will agree with me on this but that's allright
I think that if neo-paganism didn't 'work' than not so many people would flock to it, but again, it's all in your perception, if you don't believe it will work than it won't. Many neo pagans say they adapted what little is known from the old times to fit their modern lives and situations. Since most of the old paganism magick was based on things they had to deal with daily in the anchient times but not so much in these days. Gods to work the land, gods to hunt the woods, gods to keep the hearth alive etc. Hardly anybody grows their own food or depends on their hearth being on 24/7 and so people adapt. The goddess of the hunt becomes the goddess of wild animals, or she is not called upon at all.
There are lots of people that don't know that most the pagan festivals are of celtic origin or even have any connection with the celtic gods, some of whom are pagan themselves. Try mentioning the name Tailtiu when people are talking about Lughnasadh, hardly anybody will know who she is or what she stands for. This has to do with how much studying people will do, Gerald Gardner (who made wiccan what it is today and is usually the first name to pop up for anyone interested in neo-paganism) states the year and a day study period when really you're never done learning. I'm learning from you now and tomorrow I'll learn something else.
"I guess this goes back to my original question how do you successfully do a ritual that is going to work, be respectful to the gods and again actually work and use the right methods??"
I hate to say it, but it all depends on your definition of right, for a Shaman it'll be different than a Kelt and for you it might be different from me.
Let go of the idea that there is a right or a wrong way of doing these things. Maybe let the concept of ritual go and concider your own faith. Maybe it will
show you where your path leads. In divination alone there are 60 different ways and so many people who believe that they know which one is the correct one. Feel for yourself, Scott Cunningham wrote that you should look at all knowlidge with a questioning eye to learn the truth that lies inside. Look at your books and take notes what do you believe? What makes sense to you? What is most interesting for you?
Maybe you'll take one look at the celtic pantheon and forms of worship and decide you found the one truth for you or you decide that not everything fits who you are but most of it does and in your studies you find that you like the way of Nordic worship as well, see what fits you. Does prayer work for you, or chanting, do candles work, or bonfires, tap water, ocean water etc etc
My interaction with the goddess was simple and sweet, I was standing in water and she appeared from the water and embraced me and before I had a chance to say anything she said not to worry because she had always been there and always would be. That was the clearest vision I had ever had and that was because I asked for it, maybe, had I been of a different pantheon she would have appeared to me in the form of a specific goddess, perhaps if I had needed a harsh talking to she would not have appeared as friendly, who knows? Only experience will tell me.
Forget what people tell you as 'not possible' concider that everything is possible and realise that only you can find your own truth. From what I can tell from your experiences is that you have faith in your abilities and I believe you but if I hadn't would that have made yourr abilities any less real? I don't think so, so how does how people explain something to be correct mean that they are right. "Yes but their ecxperience has taught them!" Yes well they, are not you,and so they might not have the same beliefs as you do or the same experience as you do.
Have faith in yourself and do as your heart tells you, if you believe in the gods than decide if your fear of their wrath is a good guideline to go by (I mean it worked so well for the christians
BTW I am love seeing that you commented, I actually love this talk, and I love to hear about your experiences, very interesting <3
Bless
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soon the paper on which the words are printed will disintegrate and the words will be gone.
Our bible IS the wind and the rain."
soon the paper on which the words are printed will disintegrate and the words will be gone.
Our bible IS the wind and the rain."
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Thank you, yeah I try to come on every day to see if you've replied. <3
The irony of all this is I wasnt always religious, I decided to research a lot of faiths (from Christianity to Buddhist etc) in order to find clarity and decided with Paganism because it was in line with what I believed in. I have strong belief in the moon as a goddess. Whether that's Danu or not is another thing but I don't think she would be too angry with getting her name wrong, if I am wrong lol
I do have Norse influence aswell but I've read things shooting down their concepts, like how thor was just something to put an explanation behind the sound and lightning, hense the hammer :/ kinda made me feel stupid for believing in the God.
I really hope it's possible to be like the legends of ancient mystics and chinese monks etc who had full control over the elements, I doubt it but I will keep practicing my thing for years and who knows, if you hear of a guy controlling water in Australia in a few years time, then it's possible
Maybe there's a scientific explanation behind these things though and rituals? My Modern History teach back when I was at school told me it may have something to do with the power of the mind, where if you believe you can do something then the mind will put everything into making it work and we only use 10% as it is, perhaps these extraordinary things are the other 90% lol just to put a scientific point of view into it.
I like the faith idea better though, for example, your experience with the goddess can't be explained by science.
I wish I had seen a goddess
Blessings. <3
The irony of all this is I wasnt always religious, I decided to research a lot of faiths (from Christianity to Buddhist etc) in order to find clarity and decided with Paganism because it was in line with what I believed in. I have strong belief in the moon as a goddess. Whether that's Danu or not is another thing but I don't think she would be too angry with getting her name wrong, if I am wrong lol
I do have Norse influence aswell but I've read things shooting down their concepts, like how thor was just something to put an explanation behind the sound and lightning, hense the hammer :/ kinda made me feel stupid for believing in the God.
I really hope it's possible to be like the legends of ancient mystics and chinese monks etc who had full control over the elements, I doubt it but I will keep practicing my thing for years and who knows, if you hear of a guy controlling water in Australia in a few years time, then it's possible
Maybe there's a scientific explanation behind these things though and rituals? My Modern History teach back when I was at school told me it may have something to do with the power of the mind, where if you believe you can do something then the mind will put everything into making it work and we only use 10% as it is, perhaps these extraordinary things are the other 90% lol just to put a scientific point of view into it.
I like the faith idea better though, for example, your experience with the goddess can't be explained by science.
I wish I had seen a goddess
Blessings. <3
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Almost all gods were created to explain something people didn't understand, poseidon was to explain why people could not find the bottom of the ocean or why the waves moved. The origin stories were made so that people could understand where we all came from, the goddess of love was to explain the origin of the feeling of love, even the christian god was created to explain what happens after you die. Only because we understand these things in a biological, ecological setting doesn't mean these gods can't still be benificial. The goddess of love can still be called upon much like the god of thunder can still be called.
For me, since I see all the deities return to the one goddess and the one god I find that they are all different aspects of the deities I speak to daily. When the weather is lovely and calm my goddess feels more like persephony and when cold winds blow and snow falls she can feel like Demeter. During a raging thunderstorm she might sound more like Kali and during horrible droughts she can be Brigidh. Same with the gods, when the lands are green and furtile that would be pan, when the lands are dry and empty, that would be Ra, etc etc
I for one believe that magick is energy working and that we do that with our mind and body so yes maybe it is the other 90% of my brain being accesed that's why when in meditation I try to not access my imagination and let the imigary flow so that I know I'm not the one causing the pictures to form, and if I am than at least it's working on such a subconcious level that I can never control it completely.
There are also certain things that can't be explained by science, for instance why do so many people see the same thing when they have a near-death experience? When it has been scientifically proven that the mind is not able to form images when unconcious. Other things like people seeing things before they happen, people knowing things that nobody else knows, people making thunderstorms using nothing but incence!?
I also think anyone can contact the goddess or god, some people have different ways of going about it but I know it's possible.
Sorry for the late reply
Bless!
For me, since I see all the deities return to the one goddess and the one god I find that they are all different aspects of the deities I speak to daily. When the weather is lovely and calm my goddess feels more like persephony and when cold winds blow and snow falls she can feel like Demeter. During a raging thunderstorm she might sound more like Kali and during horrible droughts she can be Brigidh. Same with the gods, when the lands are green and furtile that would be pan, when the lands are dry and empty, that would be Ra, etc etc
I for one believe that magick is energy working and that we do that with our mind and body so yes maybe it is the other 90% of my brain being accesed that's why when in meditation I try to not access my imagination and let the imigary flow so that I know I'm not the one causing the pictures to form, and if I am than at least it's working on such a subconcious level that I can never control it completely.
There are also certain things that can't be explained by science, for instance why do so many people see the same thing when they have a near-death experience? When it has been scientifically proven that the mind is not able to form images when unconcious. Other things like people seeing things before they happen, people knowing things that nobody else knows, people making thunderstorms using nothing but incence!?
I also think anyone can contact the goddess or god, some people have different ways of going about it but I know it's possible.
Sorry for the late reply
Bless!
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soon the paper on which the words are printed will disintegrate and the words will be gone.
Our bible IS the wind and the rain."
soon the paper on which the words are printed will disintegrate and the words will be gone.
Our bible IS the wind and the rain."
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Haha YOU'RE sorry? I only got access to a computer just now lol I was feeling really bad too, so it should be me whose sorry lol
So with you all unknown divine aspects all resonate from the same source/sources that take different forms for each process? I can see how that'd make sense.
See I find it really hard NOT to have control, every time I sleep or dream or meditate I go into lucid dream if you know what I mean, even when I'm going to sleep I still control what I see so its hard for me to know if it's me seeing what I want to see or something actual.
Blessings, I really enjoy talking with you
So with you all unknown divine aspects all resonate from the same source/sources that take different forms for each process? I can see how that'd make sense.
See I find it really hard NOT to have control, every time I sleep or dream or meditate I go into lucid dream if you know what I mean, even when I'm going to sleep I still control what I see so its hard for me to know if it's me seeing what I want to see or something actual.
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Re: Pagan- neopagan?
Well I think lucid dreaming sounds amazing as well, because that way you can stay free from nightmares, I would have loved that when I was a kid. Do you conciously go into lucid dreaming or not? Because if you do you can try out what happens if you don't use it, you don't have to stop all at once, just try a simple meditation without controlling everything and see what happens, maybe some things will surprise you. Doesn't mean spirit guides or goddesses will stop popping up randomly, though if they do awesome ^^
If the idea does not sound very appealing you can always protect yourself by meditating in a ritual circle <3
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Bless
If the idea does not sound very appealing you can always protect yourself by meditating in a ritual circle <3
And I enjoy talking to you too
Bless
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soon the paper on which the words are printed will disintegrate and the words will be gone.
Our bible IS the wind and the rain."
soon the paper on which the words are printed will disintegrate and the words will be gone.
Our bible IS the wind and the rain."
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Re: Pagan- neopagan?
Nah its ironic, I dont have control of when I can control the dream. So yeah its not conscious lucid dreaming haha. It's like I close my eyes and it just happens but there are the occasional dream i can't control, but its hard to explain the lucid dreaming its not always total control i just realise I'm dreaming and choose to change things but alot of the time I just let the dream flow. I just have to find a way to realise when I'm controlling what's happening or letting it flow. Alot of it is subconscious control like showing a key in the dream and focibly making myself notice the key and when I wake I realise why the key was made so obvious.
I'm really really bad at explaining things :/
I'm really really bad at explaining things :/
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Nah its ironic, I dont have control of when I can control the dream. So yeah its not conscious lucid dreaming haha. It's like I close my eyes and it just happens but there are the occasional dream i can't control, but its hard to explain the lucid dreaming its not always total control i just realise I'm dreaming and choose to change things but alot of the time I just let the dream flow. I just have to find a way to realise when I'm controlling what's happening or letting it flow. Alot of it is subconscious control like showing a key in the dream and focibly making myself notice the key and when I wake I realise why the key was made so obvious.
I'm really really bad at explaining things :/
I'm really really bad at explaining things :/
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Well maybe you can pur yourself into situations in your dreams and than let certain aspects go. Like place yourself in a serene and safe place and observe your suroundings, concentrate only on your own body and mind and simple observe the surroundings. Practicing like that might make it easier to let go of certain aspects at will, could maybe lead to you eperiencing things more vividly.
"If you take a copy of the Christian Bible and put it out in the wind and the rain,
soon the paper on which the words are printed will disintegrate and the words will be gone.
Our bible IS the wind and the rain."
soon the paper on which the words are printed will disintegrate and the words will be gone.
Our bible IS the wind and the rain."
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Oh hell no stuff that! I've been trying for the opposite, it got so bad I could hardly tell dream from memory, like I went to school and was meters from going up to her and continuing the conversation I had had with her yesterday when I realised I hadn't even talked to her and it was just a dream so i said hi and we re-said the same things I thought we had talked about? weird stuff, our convo wasn't exactly the same obviously because I didn't want to talk about the same things twice lol we became great friends, maybe the dream was a way of saying I was MEANT to have that conversation?
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