Super Shower

[Sobek]

whenever i have a shower it almost always seems to put me into a meditative trancy thing, i just didnt really realise what was happening untill recently.

but this morning i was in the shower and out of no where came a thought of what i really am(and humans in general i suppose) and i continued with my questions and i went further to answer them, it was my voice in my head both questioning and answering as it usually is but it seemed different today, then it hit me(this is where most will get bored because you hear this alot).

out of nowhere came a question(most things in my head come from nowhere but this was different)

the question asked something along the lines of "really, what is the body?"
then the answer came just as quick "it is our link to the physical"

then came "does it hold me back from my true self?"
"no, it lets you progress with realising what you really are"

then i realised that our body what we see, what we feel... and the realisation come that i am more than just a human being, im something higher...as we all are its just whether we learn how to get there or not.

know this may be hard to understand but ive both known and believed this for quite some time...but today i actually realised it, if you can make sense of what the hell i am trying to say. i forgive you if you cant because i am having trouble putting it into words. and with this realisation life became something new, i havent changed my ways or anything as of yet, but i appreciate alot more(i already appreciated it alot) the fact that this vessel which holds what i really am, doesnt last long at all and only in this small time that i can share with my body, i can have the pleasures that are only accessable with such a body, the happyness, the fears, the worries, the pain, the pleasures. its amazing really that i can know something and believe but not really realise it and how it becomes so much more once you do

the rambling ends here for now, i may add when i can articulate my thoughts

[[Enlightenment]]

I know exactly what you mean Sobek, and boy, isn't it a good feeling! I've always known that I belong to something bigger, higher, etc. but when that actual feeling of knowing hits you it's like someone has just let you in on the biggest secret ever and now suddenly you're apart of it. It really hit me when I had that OBE, that my Spirit was the "real" me, my body was just a mer shell while here in the physical world. Knowing that by developing Spiritually I am really developing my Higher self, my Spirit, and for what reason........because that's just it, that's the secret I've been let into. Ok, now I'm rambling lol. This has to be one of the hardest things to actually put in words. It's just knowing that you're so much more, developing that and knowing this world, this life, well it's just the beginning of something indescribable.

[Sobek]

isn't it a good feeling!

it certainly is, but i hope to top it eventually lol.

Ok, now I'm rambling lol

this is something that deserves a ramble because there is just so much happening all at once.

[[cosmo]]

Way to go Sobek!

[Blessed May You Be]

I fully understand that sudden realisation of spiritualism and how there must be something more than just a biological life. Personally I envision the body as the protective layer of our soul, and therefore the intrinsic property of it being part of a "test" on this earth. That of course does not answer that desperate question that we so relentlessly stalk, of whether God really exists or not. But is does give us hope that life is not just merely electrical impulses and the flow of blood. In my mind and heart, souls and spiritualism truly exist and for that simple reason, I feel content to know that there is actually just more than this organic life.

[Sercee]

That of course does not answer that desperate question that we so relentlessly stalk, of whether God really exists or not.

I stopped trying to answer that question when I stopped being a Christian. I've never been more sure of my divinity and that of the Gods than I am now. It's funny, too, that what I was Christian I didn't really believe that God existed, but now that I'm not I definately believe he exists. I just generally ignore that particular God!

[Blessed May You Be]

I stopped trying to answer that question when I stopped being a Christian.

Forgive my intrusion but what kind of religion do you believe in now?

It's funny, too, that what I was Christian I didn't really believe that God existed, but now that I'm not I definately believe he exists. I just generally ignore that particular God!

I personally see it as the same God, whether X, Y or Z religion. I firmly believe that it's religions that dictate and personify the image of their "own" God. And of course religions are influenced by culture and ethnics. To be brutal honest with you, I think it's not wise to state that I believe in A, B or C God(s), for we human beings have still got much more to learn about God himself and that of course could mean A, B or C God(s) are exacly the same ones!

[WolfWitch]

I do not fully understand what you speak but I can see the profound just below the surface. I will have to think and reflect on it.

I congradulate you on your insight. I hope with time, that what still confuses you is made clear. Please share with us when this happens. It is a joy to see friends grow.

Blessed Be.

WW.

[[Enlightenment]]

I personally see it as the same God, whether X, Y or Z religion. I firmly believe that it's religions that dictate and personify the image of their "own" God. And of course religions are influenced by culture and ethnics. To be brutal honest with you, I think it's not wise to state that I believe in A, B or C God(s), for we human beings have still got much more to learn about God himself and that of course could mean A, B or C God(s) are exacly the same ones!

We, as Pagans, are Polytheist which means we believe in Gods and not just one God like Christians (well most of us anyway). Some believe all their Gods and Goddesses are the same just under different names (but that still doesn't mean they think their God is the same as the Christian God), and others believe that each one of their Gods and Goddesses are truly individuals.
I don't agree with you as you're saying we're all worshipping the same God. I think it would be better phrased is you would of said "we're all worshipping the same Source". There is only one Source, only one Divine, but many Gods/ess. Well that's my opinion anyway

What religion are you if you don't mind me asking?

[Blessed May You Be]

We, as Pagans, are Polytheist which means we believe in Gods and not just one God like Christians (well most of us anyway). Some believe all their Gods and Goddesses are the same just under different names (but that still doesn't mean they think their God is the same as the Christian God), and others believe that each one of their Gods and Goddesses are truly individuals.

Interesting. I'm completely new to this concept.

I don't agree with you as you're saying we're all worshipping the same God. I think it would be better phrased is you would of said "we're all worshipping the same Source". There is only one Source, only one Divine, but many Gods/ess.

Again, I'm somewhat unaquainted with your belief system of many Gods. Hence what drives you to say "source". Being an open minded person I can only say that I find your concept very curious and feel inclined to learn more about it. I was pretty much brought up believing in only one God. I'm not saying that I never considered the possibility of people actually believing in multiple Gods, but I quickly dismissed it because the whole concept sounds very contradictory. If these Gods originate from a "source", what exacly is that source? I can only conceive it as being a superior God. And if there are many Gods in your religion system, does the devil exist at all? How many devils are there? Do heaven and hell exist?

What religion are you if you don't mind me asking?

I happen to be Christian but don't really worship and follow the religion very closely.

[Sercee]

LOL
We are so jacking Sobek's thread. I'll answer your question, Blessed, but I'll start a new thread to do it. Sound good?

[[Enlightenment]]

Enlightenment - We, as Pagans, are Polytheist which means we believe in GodS and not just one God like Christians (well most of us anyway). Some believe all their Gods and Goddesses are the same just under different names (but that still doesn't mean they think their God is the same as the Christian God), and others believe that each one of their Gods and Goddesses are truly individuals.

BMYB - Interesting. I'm completely new to this concept.

Enlightenment - Well glad I've opened a door for you, maybe.

BMYB - I personally see it as the same God, whether X, Y or Z religion. I firmly believe that it's religions that dictate and personify the image of their "own" God. And of course religions are influenced by culture and ethnics. To be brutal honest with you, I think it's not wise to state that I believe in A, B or C God(s), for we human beings have still got much more to learn about God himself and that of course could mean A, B or C God(s) are exacly the same ones!

Enlightenment - I don't agree with you as you're saying we're all worshipping the same God. I think it would be better phrased is you would of said "we're all worshipping the same Source". There is only one Source, only one Divine, but many Gods/ess.

BMYB - Again, I'm somewhat unaquainted with your belief system of many Gods. Hence what drives you to say "source". Being an open minded person I can only say that I find your concept very curious and feel inclined to learn more about it. I was pretty much brought up believing in only one God. I'm not saying that I never considered the possibility of people actually believing in multiple Gods, but I quickly dismissed it because the whole concept sounds very contradictory. If these Gods originate from a "source", what exacly is that source? I can only conceive it as being a superior God. And if there are many Gods in your religion system, does the devil exist at all? How many devils are there? Do heaven and hell exist?

Enlightenment - Wow, lots of good questions there, some very hard to answer too, but I'll try my best.
I too was brought up Christian and only believing in one God, the concept of believing in many God/ess was hard to get my head around at first but after lots of Soul searching it made so much sense (unlike the Christian beliefs IMO). I was born Pagan, I just didn't know it at first, it took a while for it to "click" lol. It's just natural to me.
Anyway, "What is the Source?" you ask The best way I can answer that is, the Source/Divine/Higher Power/etc, just is. It's everything, it is the All in Everything. It's you, it's me, it's the rain drops, the clouds, the rocks and the trees, it's EVERYTHING. It always has been and always will be! It's indescribable in words, but it's where we come from and it's where we will return to. I don't see the Divine as an actual being or as a human form, I don't look at it as my God or Goddess, they are apart of it though just as me and you are. We all have the Divine in us but I don't go around calling others the Divine, if you know what I mean. This is why I said it's hard to explain in words and it's indescribable in words. When I was Christian I never gave the Divine a thought, now I'm Pagan (Wiccan) it's like "Gods, how could I have never gave the Divine a thought", you can't miss it lol, it's everything and every where. It really is true when they say "you see the Divine in everything". I can see that now, but never could before.
Next question, "Does the Devil exist and if so, how many of them?" Simple answer, the Devil is a Christian thing, not a Pagan thing. Nearly all Pagans will tell you the same - we don't believe in the Devil, never mind worship him lol. It's a Christian idea, not ours. So no, I don't believe in the Devil.
Your last question, "Does Heaven and Hell exist?" I personally don't believe in either. Hell because I don't believe in the Devil and that whole concept of Hell, the Devil, etc. and I don't particually believe in Heaven. I believe in Reincarnation, once we have learnt all lifes lessons and after being Reincarnated x amount of times until our lessons are learnt to the fullest we will eventually go to a place of rest, like Heaven I suppose, I just don't call it that. Heaven and Hell are opposites, just like Good and Evil, White Magick and Black Magick, I don't believe in that, only natural cycles of life i.e. birth and death, they come with an equal balance. A balance of Nature.

Hope thats answered some of your questions

You're Christian, are you looking to change your religion or stick with yours? Why are you looking to change, if you're that is?

[Blessed May You Be]

LOL
We are so jacking Sobek's thread. I'll answer your question, Blessed, but I'll start a new thread to do it. Sound good?

Sure

Actually it's my fault, I deviated too much from the main topic. My apologies to everyone, especially to you Sobek.