Psychic Vampires?

[jcrowfoot]

Since we were talking about vampires, why not psychic vampires?

There are a lot of books out about them lately, and I'm curious what people think. Talk! Disagree! Argue!

Personally, I have a friend who's an accidental drainer who gets a LOT of flack about it. This one is shunned from groups, some people won't even talk to that one at all on this issue alone. The thing is, if properly trained, this one could do a LOT of good. Yes, I'm trying, but it's a tough job long distance, and this one has a lot of knowledgeable friends who help. People shouldn't forever ban someone based on just this.

I also think that there's kind of a hysteria going on in the community.
It's like a witch-hunt only different.

[[Enlightenment]]

I don't understand your actual question? Is it you want our opinion on Psychic Vampyres? If so, here is mine....

PSI Vamps, like anyone else, can be both good and bad. You'd be surprised how many there are out there (inc. on the net) and like you have said, not all of them know what they're doing so they can't really be judged, but as for the ones who go around "feeding" off other peoples emotions on purpose are not good IMO. The difficult part comes when you try and differentiate between those who just like to piss you off or make you upset just for the share hell of it and those who are real PSI Vamps trying to get some sort of reaction from you so they can feed off your emotions and Energy? It is a hard job... I was on another forum which I use quite regularly (not as much as this one though ) and there were some people on there who believed all Trolls are really Psychic Vampyres? I don't believe this. Some people are just plain nasty, bitchy, attention seeking, immature, etc. etc. etc. it doesn't mean they're a Vamp, but the question is, how do we differentiate between the two?

Also, those who are Psychic Vamps and feed with permission, how do you go about telling others and also asking people if you can feed from them? This must be an awkward job!

I also think every Witch would do well to read at least two books on Psychic attack and protection. We all need to know how to protect ourselves!!!

That is my 2p worth anyway

PS: Hope I've not read into your thread wrong?

[Sobek]

My encounter with psychic vampires and also my sources, acknowledge a few different types of.

The first type are those that's presence is merely draingin and tiring, this is more often then not unconscious behalf of the drainer, in the respect they are not aware thier presence can drain a person. the problem with these people is that thier draining comes from a co-dependant personality flaw, where they cling onto a person and wont let go...much like a leech, again odds are they arent aware they are so draining. ive known a couple like this

The second type are those who actively drain those around them of energy for whatever reason, this is often seen as a malicious psychic attack but is not always so.

it is my belief that shielding is always necessary around both sorts especially if you are in close proximity to them often as it can lead to things, such as feelings of sadness and even a deep sense of depression aswell as some other not so lovely effects

Also, those who are Psychic Vamps and feed with permission, how do you go about telling others and also asking people if you can feed from them? This must be an awkward job!

lol, certainly is. ive asked a friend if i could burrow energy, i got a wierd look and he reluctantly accepted lol

[Eretik]

I took some from willing donors a couple of weeks ago. Sounds odd, but, I was quite depleted, what with the emergency baby and all. That sounds silly, you know what I mean, baby Connor, I asked, straightforward. Three of those I know were buzzing that night, they had an abundance and it was healthy, very important, if you take from a drunk, stoned or sick person, it can be yucky.[ and immoral, I know I'm strange] The funny thing is no one thought I was being any odder than they already know me to be. I said' I 'm very low on energy, tired, can I take some of your happy vibe?' The three were like 'ok, no bother, aw, sweetie' I was rather surprised but happy. I think it shows a high level of trust in me. Which, I won't abuse.Empaths can do this, it's like the healer 'paradox'- those who heal by removing 'bad' energy, could remove' good' too, if they were of a mind to do so. It's about knowing the difference and morality, really. I 'm still a bit hungover, two day hangover - oh joy! I hope I made sense.

[Saria]

I know a few psychic vampires that I'm really good friends with. So they can be both good and bad. I guess it depends on how much they feed and how much they drain others. Hell, even I steal other people's energy when I'm feeling drained but I really don't take too much. It's more of an emergancy case and then I dip into the Earth's energy and my own personal energy. If that doesn't work, nothing charges me more than thinking about someone I really REALLY like, but then I get too hyped up and start speaking with sentence fragments and need to give some back lol.

But in general, psychic vampires are just doing what they have to do and I can't argue with that.

As a side note, I heard a theory that some Televangelists are Psychic Vampires. This explains how they make their followers "pass out" so easily just by touching them. First of all, they always touch 1 spot on their followers: the THIRD EYE. If somebody is that moved and excited in church they already have a lot of energy running through them. The Pastor can either give them enough energy to set them over their limit, causing them to pass out, or drain them and the sudden drop can make them pass out. Sounds very logical to me. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this? (And people wonder why I don't go to church anymore lol)

[Sercee]

I've got a few ideas on this!
Sobek:

The first type are those that's presence is merely draingin and tiring, this is more often then not unconscious behalf of the drainer, in the respect they are not aware thier presence can drain a person. the problem with these people is that thier draining comes from a co-dependant personality flaw, where they cling onto a person and wont let go...much like a leech, again odds are they arent aware they are so draining. ive known a couple like this

The second type are those who actively drain those around them of energy for whatever reason, this is often seen as a malicious psychic attack but is not always so.

it is my belief that shielding is always necessary around both sorts especially if you are in close proximity to them often as it can lead to things, such as feelings of sadness and even a deep sense of depression aswell as some other not so lovely effects

The first type: My sister. She has several flaws (BTW I love her to death, so this is only loving, sisterly ranting LOL). She loves being the center of attention, being right, being dramatic. She complains about her problems but resists all help (you should have seen the look and the lecture I got for telling her to see a wholistic doc since the conventional specialists haven't helped her in 10 years). I finally learned in this last few months that I ABSOLUTELY have to ground and shield myself if I'm going to be around her for long or else I WILL be tired, nervous, paranoid, shaky and depressed afterwards. If I'm careful and keep aware of the energy levels in the room though, I tend to work covertly with her fiance (whether he's aware of it or not, I'm never sure) to calm her and stay alive myself.

The second type I don't *think* I've encountered, at least not recently. Looking back I can pick up a few times where I could very well have been attacked, but I don't know because I wasn't aware of this kind of thing back then. I wouldn't be surprised either way on a couple individuals, though. Regardless, because of my sister and other recent problems I've been getting a lot better at raising shields the moment I feel I need it! It at least makes me feel better, if nothing else.

Saria:

I heard a theory that some Televangelists are Psychic Vampires. This explains how they make their followers "pass out" so easily just by touching them.

I have only heard this in passing, but thanks for bringing it back up! I went to a few sermons several years back at the "Word of Life" church: VERY Billy Graham style! It was amazing to see how people can get so into the service, jumping around, arms raised, "PRAISE THE LORD" etc. And I saw that stuff happening, the priest actually took people from the crowd, placed his hand on their forehead and shouted something about exorcising demons and then 'You shall be HEALED' and they fell to the floor! I got pretty scared at that point, especially since I knew a lot of these people and I know that they definately were not healed. They were just so into clinging to the energy of this guy that they believed it wholeheartedly and never grew beyond their current situation. Most of them were in (and I'm not trying to stereotype here) trailer park or low income housing families, multiple kids, one or no income, smoking, alcoholic etc. So noone was helping their situation, just giving tithes and energy to someone who didn't really need it.

[Eretik]

Charasmatic or Vampiric? I say yes. Both. I read up on this years ago. I remember a lot of material concerning Hitler's rally speeches [ Nuremberg] and raising a 'cone of power' through the ecstatic crowd's energies. Mob consensus. There are those who can and do feed from this. You could also define some 'dark'practitioners this way, there are those who actively feed from those around them, the more predatory can be seen in the pubs and clubs, I frequent, often. There are those who see nothing wrong in this as they are of a mind to consider their victims as weak or deserving of this. I 'm not arguing on morality here, but it does happen. Billy Graham is VERY charismatic, isn't he?[ and very rich?]

[Sercee]

Very Charismatic. I was just shocked that the 'services' were actually like that! I thought that was just tv until I went to that sermon!

[Vigdisdotter]

People shouldn't forever ban someone based on just this.

I would if the individual isn't willing to make an effort and NOT drain people.

my best friend in high school is a psy-vamp and a dwama queen. But every times she starts sucking I tell her point blank to stop it and you know what? she does, with minimal training in the subject.

Taking notice and controlling one's energy in-take and out-put is NOT that hard.

[Eretik]

A word of warning - don't put up energy shields if you think a vamp is on you. Think about it- a predator who specialises in energy absorption and a shield of - what? - 'energy' - yum!, neon invitation sign with aperitif too, all you can eat - yeahhhhh! It is like a witchhunt , only with misinformation and disinformation abounding. There are other ways to deal with it if it'as a problem. The best often simplest, is as Vigdisdottir says - ask them to stop, it will at least give a 'breathing' space. It also gives you back some control of the situation, a vamp will be impressed you know it's them. This identifies you as a fellow magick user. Most of us are ethical about 'our own'[ surprise, surprise,eh?] Learn how to identify who is a vamp, what draining feels like - and away you go. There are techniques which can be used, vary your thought patterns, this makes it hard to stay 'locked on'. Do some research folks, it pays off and remember there's a lot of unneccessary hysteria out there too. Come on the fundies! We have them too, you know. Maybe one day I will be a 'heretical apostatic' pagan also,oh joy. - Addendum - sorry, been reading elsewhere, got a little 'het up' Empathy/Vampirism,Healing/Destruction, two sides of the same coin.

[hedge*]

Wow!!!
Can't believe I didn't read your comments before Eretik.
You leave me a little dumbfounded!
What are you trying to say exactly?
If I thought a psi vamp was on to me - putting up my shields would be first on my agenda.
Psi vamps don't need neon signs, that's the whole point. A psi vamp will drain off anybody who lets them - all be it unconscioulsy done, but by sheilding myself I'm gonna be the last candidate.

[Eretik]

Please have a look at this, see what you think, I wanted to stimulate discussion on this, because it's getting to be more common and I have had to bypass unconscious sheilds from patients even when working with their will and permission. You sometimes need to know how, for a variety of reasons, which is touched on here. I don't see this issue as 'black and white' as many do.



http://www.psivamp.org/counters.htm

[[Enlightenment]]

Please have a look at this, see what you think, I wanted to stimulate discussion on this, because it's getting to be more common and I have had to bypass unconscious sheilds from patients even when working with their will and permission. You sometimes need to know how, for a variety of reasons, which is touched on here. I don't see this issue as 'black and white' as many do.



http://www.psivamp.org/counters.htm

Looks like a pretty cool site actually Eretik. Thanks for this link

[[Enlightenment]]

Empathy/Vampirism, two sides of the same coin.

Exactly, that's what I've always thought. Isn't Vampirism and Empathy just about the same thing? Though Vamps seem to have the "need" to feed, where as Empaths seem to take other peoples Energy without that "need" being there, they just kind of "do it", like when they're around a large crowd of people they will get overloaded with all those different Energies, won't know what to do with it all, and it will become too much?