Question about Wicca from a Christian

[amunptah777]

No need to be sorry. You could say that's partially why I'm not a "Christian" myself. Better stated... there is a lot that is taught and practiced that is not necessarily stated in Scripture, even in spite of the fact that Scriptural interpretations differ. So to me, there is a difference between what the bible says and what religion says.

Additionally, the Bible does recognize the existence of personal power, no matter how indirect this may be. It just views it as something that is not necessarily right if not done with the approval of The Most High. And in my opinion, how one gains approval... rather, how it's known that one has approval could be debated all day.

Even in the day of the Messiah and John... for those of us familiar with the Bible, we know well what they were accused of. So, there can't be any HONEST judgment of any acts, including "witchcraft" without knowing the intent and the medium. LOL... I'm sure most Christians will NEVER agree with that (at least not openly in the U.S.), but that doesn't change what is actually written in the Text.

(rolls eyes....sighs heavily...thinks "again?")

I was thinking about you today. Not miserably, or even hypothetically, but the words you use would indicate that you are a christian, in the sense of "one who believes in Joshua of Nazareth as the son of the deity"

I'm really, really not interested in dissing, or even arguing with you;

But you have to know, before we continue this conversation, I simply cannot recognize the teachings of the church, I deny the trinity, the divinity of the man from nazareth, the virgin birth. I deny the existence of both the Hebrew god and the 'spirit' (in front of which I must refuse to place the word 'holy') and that your religious text has any value whatsoever.

I have christian friends, but we've agreed not to discuss this matter.

I was thinking about you because your words would indicate that, while you are a christian, you are trying to disassociate your self from the church, am I correct?

That's fine. But I have to ask...why are you posting here?

(Yes, I'm truly trying to be polite because I believe in Benevolence towards animate beings, despite my revulsion for the churchz dogma, I don't feel christians are the problem or should be hated or mocked, it's the ideas that are the problem)

Thet


Thet

[MVTirado]

(rolls eyes....sighs heavily...thinks "again?")

I was thinking about you today. Not miserably, or even hypothetically, but the words you use would indicate that you are a christian, in the sense of "one who believes in Joshua of Nazareth as the son of the deity"

I'm really, really not interested in dissing, or even arguing with you;

But you have to know, before we continue this conversation, I simply cannot recognize the teachings of the church, I deny the trinity, the divinity of the man from nazareth, the virgin birth. I deny the existence of both the Hebrew god and the 'spirit' (in front of which I must refuse to place the word 'holy') and that your religious text has any value whatsoever.

I have christian friends, but we've agreed not to discuss this matter.

I was thinking about you because your words would indicate that, while you are a christian, you are trying to disassociate your self from the church, am I correct?

That's fine. But I have to ask...why are you posting here?

(Yes, I'm truly trying to be polite because I believe in Benevolence towards animate beings, despite my revulsion for the churchz dogma, I don't feel christians are the problem or should be hated or mocked, it's the ideas that are the problem)

Thet


Thet

Honestly, you seem more like you're saying you're trying to be polite while being impolite. While I understand that people are free to have whatever view of any religion, I can't help but see the irony in how many will speak ill of the beliefs of others, yet feel offended when others do the same.

If you don't believe in the text, that is your prerogative, as you are free to believe or disbelieve whatever you wish. It does not offend or insult me whatsoever. Considering this is a witchcraft message board, I'm not here under the assumption that most would believe in or totally agree with the bible anyway.

Yes, I am a "Christian" in that I believe in the Messiah. No, I do not attend a church or agree with the bulk of the teachings within mainstream Christianity. As for "why I'm here"... well this is a witchcraft message board. I think the answer to this question should be obvious. I don't say that to be rude of course...

[amunptah777]

Oh, yah, I understand what you're saying.

I'm just the kind of person who likes to have all the cards on the table, if you know what I mean.

Like, with the forum/posting subculture, there's always like a little dance people do, and you'll say something, I'll respond to a specific thing, meanwhile you don't know this or that about me, I don't know this or that about you and communication basically goes nowhere. you know?

Again, I wasn't being rude, I was simply stating my stance on those issues. It's nothing personal, I just wanted you to know who you are dealing with...does that make sense?

Thet

[MVTirado]

Hmmm... not really. Or at least I should say, it doesn't make much sense to me anyway. Though I don't have a problem with people stating what they believe or don't believe... I guess you could say that it doesn't really matter too much to me. My only point was regarding what's mentioned in Scripture. Whether one believes the bible or Christian teachings doesn't really change what is stated in the Texts. You know? I know a lot of people have issues with Christianity. Not just the matter of not agreeing with the beliefs, but also some level of resentment for the way they've been treated by other's because of their differences in views.

And forgive me for having my opinion of what you stated, but I do pay attention to wording. Your statement wasn't just against Christianity, or the Bible, but MY beliefs. A completely general statement was turned into a personal one with the choice of the word "your." But as I stated, my comments about the content of the Bible weren't statements of what others should view as right or wrong, but merely what is within the Text.

~Peace & Blessings

[amunptah777]

Hmmm..o.k., well then, of course I apologize for the inclusive "your" in my post. I literally meant for that to be a "this is where I'm at" statement and nothing else.

As well, I recognize that you, for the most part, meant for your post to be a reflection of the text and not necessarily your own personal belief.

However, when Joshua of Nazareth was asked, point blank , if he was the messhiach, he responded, "who do you say that I am?" Not that, yes indeed, he's the head hancho, the top bananna The great a glorious Messiah.
So, therein, you also are stating personal belief.

It's cool though, my beliefs are fairly unpopular, uncompromising and not politically correct but I post them, before I begin chats w/ people so that they'll know there's no point in arguing a specific detail with me, no use in trying to debate with me on the accuracy of this or that translation...etc...etc...It was supposed to be just a big, neon sign flashing "go no further"

I really meant no offense.

Thet

[MVTirado]

Well, I wasn't trying to debate anything with anyone at all, or argue over details. I was just stating matters as they are & how I see them. I re-read my post, and statement of personal belief or not... I don't see what I said that could have been taken as argumentative. Your post just gave me the impression that your distaste for Christianity created some sort of negativity for what I said, without any provocation. If you didn't want to continue, why reply? No need for neon lights, really.

It's no big deal, of course; I just didn't get the point of all this. But I understand that people have strong feelings about certain things, especially when it comes to religion. I only took the time to draw it to your attention because we don't always realize how we come across, or how our words are perceived.

Peace & Blessings

[amunptah777]

I had to reread the post so I could remember my intent.

It's so simple really, and I have a tendency to complicate things, socially.

I wanted to ask you if you were a christian, but I wanted to put both hands flat out before I did so.

Sorry for the confusion.

Thet

[MVTirado]

Oh, it's no problem.

Peace & Blessings