The various Powers that people have are a reality, but they seem impossible to those that have not learned to use their own powers.
As far as people who claim they have powers, like everything, some are truthful, some lie, and some are confused because they pay too much attention to their imagination.
The only way to be able to express your powers is to believe that they exist and have the faith to manifest them.
All who believe it is impossible will never accomplish it while they still have that belief.
The first step is to know that the powers are true. The next step is to put the thought and intention in your mind, until you figure out how to use it. And when you work towards realizing your powers, make sure you don't confuse powers with regular thoughts or imagination.
For example, if you are a person that can sense the thoughts of others, when a person comes into your head, check your thoughts to see if you actually sensed that person, or a thought led you to think of something else, that led you to think of that person. If you do this you will learn to distinguish the difference between the times you are sensing a person thinking about you, and the times when it is just yourself thinking about them.
This way you will put your concentration towards the real powers and not get lost in imagination. Eventually, you will recognize the difference between your Spirit sensing another person, and thoughts that just came to your head. After you learn the difference, when a person comes into your head, you will know just by the way it feels if your were sensing them or just thinking about them.
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PF, how does a person know something is true if they don't have the imagination to perceive it in the first place? How does a person perceive the idea of a higher power without the imagination to picture 'something'? What name do you put to that pull in your heart that there is more to life if you don't have the imagination to look past the daily grind?
In every single bit of spellwork I've done I've had to use my imagination. Visualization is so important to determine intent for a spell, to focus. When you cast the circle you visualize a sphere or ring of light around you. You need to concentrate enough to 'see' it and know it's there. How does that not use imagination?
I think that you're limiting yourself tragically if you believe that imagination only gets in the way. Faith itself is, in my strong opinion, a form of imagination.
In every single bit of spellwork I've done I've had to use my imagination. Visualization is so important to determine intent for a spell, to focus. When you cast the circle you visualize a sphere or ring of light around you. You need to concentrate enough to 'see' it and know it's there. How does that not use imagination?
I think that you're limiting yourself tragically if you believe that imagination only gets in the way. Faith itself is, in my strong opinion, a form of imagination.
I think you are all missing his point. Now, I may be wrong, but I think he is basically saying not to be so caught up in your own imagination as to only think you are doing something rather than accually doing it.
---Wolf---
"And a godlike man--a man who is pure force--inaccessible to any compromise--is called a hero."
"And a godlike man--a man who is pure force--inaccessible to any compromise--is called a hero."
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But who is to say what is 'true'. 'Truth' is tangible and no one 'truth' is 'true' or 'false'. What each person believes is 'true', if you believe it enough that is what is.
If I choose to believe that gravity does not exist then gravity does not exist within my belief that would be my 'truth'
If I choose to believe that gravity does not exist then gravity does not exist within my belief that would be my 'truth'
All of lifes little problems can be solved by beating the buggers on the head with a broom.
But your "truth" would be proven false because your feet were still on the ground. Some truths are just that, truths. I may trully believe that I am the King of Canada but that doesn't accually make me such.But who is to say what is 'true'. 'Truth' is tangible and no one 'truth' is 'true' or 'false'. What each person believes is 'true', if you believe it enough that is what is.
If I choose to believe that gravity does not exist then gravity does not exist within my belief that would be my 'truth'
---Wolf---
"And a godlike man--a man who is pure force--inaccessible to any compromise--is called a hero."
"And a godlike man--a man who is pure force--inaccessible to any compromise--is called a hero."
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PerunFather
I see what you are saying about imagination, but I would refer to that as a searching our Spirit and Visualization. Visualization is important, and I guess that can be considered imagination, but that is not the definition of imagination I was using. So if somebody knows a better word to use (maybe illusion?) then I would be interested in hearing it.
The reason I said what I said is that often people read more into things then what is actually there. I see that as a distraction to rising in your powers. Of course when you are starting to search your Spirit, imagination will come from time to time and in the beginning it might be more imagination then truth. But as you find and awake those parts of your Spirit, you will see so much more than what your imagination showed you. Things that can't be denied or questioned by you because it is too real to deny.
And what I am saying in the post is to pay attention, so when you awake a part of your Spirit, you will recognize the difference between that and the things you imagined. So that in the future you can filter out the illusion and spend more time realizing the Powers that are part of us.
The reason I said what I said is that often people read more into things then what is actually there. I see that as a distraction to rising in your powers. Of course when you are starting to search your Spirit, imagination will come from time to time and in the beginning it might be more imagination then truth. But as you find and awake those parts of your Spirit, you will see so much more than what your imagination showed you. Things that can't be denied or questioned by you because it is too real to deny.
And what I am saying in the post is to pay attention, so when you awake a part of your Spirit, you will recognize the difference between that and the things you imagined. So that in the future you can filter out the illusion and spend more time realizing the Powers that are part of us.
Here is an interesting tidbit,it may be relevant to the discussion here?
http://www.chaostatic.com/paradigm/work ... magick.php
http://www.chaostatic.com/paradigm/work ... magick.php
I think I understand you, Perun. It is easy to 'delude' yourself, or let your imagination fly away with itself when first starting out? As such, you should focus on supressing this to try and ensure you recognise the things that are real, and not just figments of your over-active imagination?
Imagination is a brilliant thing, although I wouldn't personally lump it in with Visualisation. I see Visualisation as the ability to 'see' something in your 'mind's eye', to visualise something happening and vividly be able to see and describe it.. Imagination, on the other hand, is the ability to think about and understand a situation, or create an entirely new situation. Imagination pushes us forward, and lets us imagine how our life might be if we make a certain decision.. Or lets us imagine a fictional life that we may never lead.
These two are often combined, and you visualise the things you imagine.. But I would personally say that they are two discreet abilities. You can visualise something without 'imagining' it (i.e. recall an object you've seen previously), and can imagine something without 'visualising' it (i.e. imagining the consequences of various actions in order to make a decision). Indeed, I have known people who are perfectly capable at imagining a situation.. But quite literally cannot visualise a situation - they just can't 'see' anything, no matter how hard they try (or don't try as the case may be
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That link is interesting, Eretik, but I feel it over-simplifies brain lateralisation / handedness. More recent research into brain lateralisation theory / handedness shows that the link between handedness and hemisphere dominance does not stand for all cases. Just because you're right handed, it doesn't mean you're destined to a life of mathematics and science.. Similarly, being left handed won't make you an amazing artist. I'm glad the author points out that he is speaking very generally - something few people do when referencing brain lateralisation theory - but I feel he's a little out on the handedness. But, hey, as I say.. Whatever works for you, works for you, so if it's helpful to someone, great.
As a side note, if you want to read more left/right brain theory, an article I read which is fully referenced up and makes a good point is here: http://www.pdkintl.org/kappan/kbru9905.htm It's not all on left/right brain theory, so scroll down a little and you should see the sub-heading. It makes for an interesting read (for me, at least).
Apologies for taking this off-topic a little.
Elem
Imagination is a brilliant thing, although I wouldn't personally lump it in with Visualisation. I see Visualisation as the ability to 'see' something in your 'mind's eye', to visualise something happening and vividly be able to see and describe it.. Imagination, on the other hand, is the ability to think about and understand a situation, or create an entirely new situation. Imagination pushes us forward, and lets us imagine how our life might be if we make a certain decision.. Or lets us imagine a fictional life that we may never lead.
These two are often combined, and you visualise the things you imagine.. But I would personally say that they are two discreet abilities. You can visualise something without 'imagining' it (i.e. recall an object you've seen previously), and can imagine something without 'visualising' it (i.e. imagining the consequences of various actions in order to make a decision). Indeed, I have known people who are perfectly capable at imagining a situation.. But quite literally cannot visualise a situation - they just can't 'see' anything, no matter how hard they try (or don't try as the case may be
).That link is interesting, Eretik, but I feel it over-simplifies brain lateralisation / handedness. More recent research into brain lateralisation theory / handedness shows that the link between handedness and hemisphere dominance does not stand for all cases. Just because you're right handed, it doesn't mean you're destined to a life of mathematics and science.. Similarly, being left handed won't make you an amazing artist. I'm glad the author points out that he is speaking very generally - something few people do when referencing brain lateralisation theory - but I feel he's a little out on the handedness. But, hey, as I say.. Whatever works for you, works for you, so if it's helpful to someone, great
.As a side note, if you want to read more left/right brain theory, an article I read which is fully referenced up and makes a good point is here: http://www.pdkintl.org/kappan/kbru9905.htm It's not all on left/right brain theory, so scroll down a little and you should see the sub-heading. It makes for an interesting read (for me, at least
).Apologies for taking this off-topic a little.
Elem
'Apologies for taking this off-topic a little.' Not at all Elem,I started it.LOL. It is not so much the 'handedness' as the exercises on that page,that I recommend,tho' thinking about chirality is good for flexing the magickal muscles too. I am left handed, I have found it 'interesting' shall we say,adapting to life in a largely 'right handed' world.lol,again. I do find certain advantages,mainly unpredictability in a fight or in playing sports.The info. on the corpus callosum, is interesting too. For me there is a huge difference between imagination and visualisation,I don't really 'visualise' like most people - I percieve,but it is hard to describe,when I close my eyes I cannot 'see' images in my head, but with my eyes open I can see the immediate environment and visualise or imagine simultaneously. I don't find that difficult - but I work with altered consciousness and trance states,that may be why. As far as I can recall,my perception has always been like this.
I think it works pretty much the same for me, Eretik.. Except, with my eyes closed I can 'see' things as vivid as if they were open, if I visualise them. I experience what I visualise in vivid, detailed terms, exactly as I would if whatever I was visualising were to occur right in front of me with my eyes open.when I close my eyes I cannot 'see' images in my head, but with my eyes open I can see the immediate environment and visualise or imagine simultaneously
I can do the same thing with my eyes open, but I have trouble describing how exactly I 'see' it. It doesn't overlay what I'm already seeing (although if I want it to, it can), it exists.. 'Above' what I'm seeing, if that makes sense? Almost as if I had another set of eyes looking at what I'm visualising, and I can see that view simultaneously.. But not on top of my 'real world' view. I can pay attention to both at the same time.. For instance (and I'm sure we've all done this?), when reading a book.. I can continue reading it, whilst 'seeing' the events playing out in my mind's eye, as clear as if I were watching them happen in 'real life'.
Anyway, even further off-topic now
. Sorry!Elem
'Except, with my eyes closed I can 'see' things as vivid as if they were open,' That is the part I can't do at all. I dream,vividly and I can recall great detail from memory, I'm very observant of my surroundings. I think the key word here is 'see', I percieve but I 'm far more sensitive to vibrations and smell/sounds and energy waves. That is my best attempt at description. I would like to know more about the perceptions and visualising skills/types of others and it is relevant to imagination and visualisation .Percieving [sensing] something outside yourself is different from imagining,which comes from within, which is different from but related to visualising which can be imaginative and/or reality based. Woah, did I make sense?They connect,but I 'm in danger of losing track.More tomorrow.With coffee.lol.
Haha, you made sense to me, don't worryWoah, did I make sense?They connect,but I 'm in danger of losing track.More tomorrow.With coffee.lol.
. Blech, coffee.. Give me tea any day, yum!Elem
Edit: Ooh, that was my 666th post.. Pertinent, since I was talking about evil-in-a-cup (coffee, blechblech!)
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wolf a question
what made you start praticing the magick you do?and what type specifically do you practice?just courious
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